A01532:421
A discussion of the popish doctrine of transubstantiation wherein the same is declared, by…A discussion of the popish doctrine of transubstantiation vvherein the same is declared, by…
A discussion of the popish doctrine of transubstantiation wherein the same is declared, by the confession of their own writers, to have no necessary ground in Gods Word: as also it is further demonstrated to be against Scripture, nature, sense, reason, religion, and the judgement of t5xxauncients, and the faith of our ancestors: written by Thomas Gataker B. of D. and pastor of Rotherhith.A discussion of the popish doctrine of transubstantiation vvherein the same is declared, by the confession of their owne writers, to haue no necessary ground in Gods Word: as also it is further demonstrated to be against Scripture, nature, sense, reason, religion, and the iudgement of t5xxauncients, and the faith of our auncestours: written by Thomas Gataker B. of D. and pastor of Rotherhith.
London: printed by John for William Sheffard, 1624London: printed by Iohn for William Sheffard, 1624
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§ 4. Now further, whereas I allege among other things that in every miraculous conversion of bodies 1there is a sensible change; whereas no such thing at all is found in the Sacrament: Our eyes, saith Augustine, inform us that it is bread that is there. He telleth me, this is no good, nor Christian, but an absurd, secular, and senseless arguing, and such as would lead us to believe nothing but what we see: and that Augustine, if I had marked him, whom I cite in the margin, (as if his very words were not in the text) utterly overthroweth it: as also Hillary and other Fathers, when they teach us in divine mysteries to renounce the natural judgement of our understanding and senses, which this poor, carnal, unlearned man his Adversary is so far from, &c. And withal as commiserating and bewailing my simplicity, (Oh how far is this poor &c.) He telleth his Reader, that he could with a cloud of such ancient and uncontrollable testimonies of the holy Fathers confound this his sensual Adversary, and teach him a new manner of disputing of these heavenly and divine mysteries. Well, when he doth this, you may believe that he can do it: and his poor puny Adversary shall be eternally obliged to him for it. But mean while let us see what Pyrgopolinices here saith.
§ 4. NOw further, whereas I alleadge among other things that in euery miraculous conversion of bodies 1there is a sensible change; whereas no such thing at all is found in the Sacrament: Our eyes, saith Augustine, informe vs that it is bread that is there. He telleth me, this is no good, nor Christian, but an absurd, secular, and senslesse arguing, and such as would leade vs to beleeue nothing but what we see: and that Augustine, if I had marked him, whom I cite in the margent, (as if his very wordes were not in the text) vtterly ouerthroweth it: as also Hillarie and other Fathers, when they teach vs in diuine mysteries to renounce the naturall iudgement of our vnderstanding and senses, which this poore, carnall, vnlearned man his Adversarie is so farre from, &c. And withall as commiserating and bewailing my simplicity, (Oh how farre is this poore &c.) He telleth his Reader, that he could with a cloud of such ancient and vncontrolleable testimonies of the holy Fathers confound this his sensuall Adversarie, and teach him a new manner of disputing of these heauenly and divine mysteries. Wel, when he doth this, you may beleeue that he can doe it: and his poore puny Adversary shall be eternally obliged to him for it. But meane while let vs see what Pyrgopolinices here saith.