A01540:483
A just defence of certain passages in a former treatise concerning the nature and…A iust defence of certaine passages in a former treatise concerning the nature and…
A just defence of certain passages in a former treatise concerning the nature and use of lots, against such exceptions and oppositions as have been made thereunto to Mr. I.B. Wherein the insufficiency of his answers given to the arguments brought in defence of a lusorious lot is manifested; the imbecility of his arguments produced against the same further discovered; and the point it self in controversy more fully cleared; by Thomas Gataker B. of D. and author of the former treatise.A iust defence of certaine passages in a former treatise concerning the nature and vse of lots, against such exceptions and oppositions as have beene made thereunto to Mr. I.B. Wherein the insufficiencie of his answers giuen to the arguments brought in defence of a lusorious lot is manifested; the imbecillitie of his arguments produced against the same further discouered; and the point it selfe in controuersie more fully cleared; by Thomas Gataker B. of D. and author of the former treatise.
London: printed by John Haviland for Robert Bird, 1623London: printed by Iohn Haviland for Robert Bird, 1623
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I. B. If then there be an immediate providence of God in a Lot, and in regard thereof prayer is to be expressed or understood in the lawful use of a Lot, then praying and playing (though they rime well together, yet) run not well together in the lawful use of a Lot. Nay rather it followeth from both, That a Lot is not to be used but in a case of necessity more or less. And therefore strange (I will not say, absurd) is Mr. Gs. Position p. 111. to wit, The less weighty the matter is, wherein a Lot is used, the lawfuller the Lot is. Except it be proved, that the less weighty the matter is, the greater is the necessity of ending the controversy by a Lot. The said Position is more strange, because he granteth p. 95. That Prayer specially applied to the Lot may (in some case) be conceived, where the matter is more weighty, as in the choice of a Magistrate. But concerning ⟨p. 213⟩this also more shall be said in my next Reply.
I. B. If then there be an immediate prouidence of God in a Lot, and in regard thereof praier is to be expressed or vnderstood in the lawfull vse of a Lot, then praying and playing (though they rime well together, yet) run not well together in the lawfull vse of a Lot. Nay rather it followeth from both, That a Lot is not to be vsed but in a case of necessitie more or lesse. And therefore strange (I will not say, absurd) is Mr. Gs. Position p. 111. to wit, The lesse weightie the matter is, wherein a Lot is vsed, the lawfuller the Lot is. Except it be proued, that the lesse weightie the matter is, the greater is the necessitie of ending the controuersie by a Lot. The said Position is more strange, because he granteth p. 95. That Prayer specially applied to the Lot may (in some case) be conceiued, where the matter is more weightie, as in the choise of a Magistrate. But concerning ⟨p. 213⟩this also more shall bee said in my next Reply.
T. G. If a man grant Mr. B. his Ifs still, he can prove any thing: else nothing. He said but even now that he doth not here prove it, and yet presently upon it, he telleth us, If then it be so &c. as if it were here proved to hand. But unless that be proved, all that followeth is just nought. For nought and nought and nought maketh nought; as in Ciphering they use to say. Yet that praying & playing do not at all run well, I hope Mr. B. will not affirm. For albeit a man may not play with prayer, yet he may pray, I hope, before he play; yea and upon just occasion too at his play. That absurd Position, as Mr. B. here implieth it to be, hath been sufficiently canvased already; and hath more truth in it, I believe, than Mr. B. is aware of. If ought further come against it, it shall in his due place be answered. That here alleged of Prayer used with some Lot, no way crosseth it; nor doth Mr. B. show wherein it any way doth.