A01540:484
A just defence of certain passages in a former treatise concerning the nature and…A iust defence of certaine passages in a former treatise concerning the nature and…
A just defence of certain passages in a former treatise concerning the nature and use of lots, against such exceptions and oppositions as have been made thereunto to Mr. I.B. Wherein the insufficiency of his answers given to the arguments brought in defence of a lusorious lot is manifested; the imbecility of his arguments produced against the same further discovered; and the point it self in controversy more fully cleared; by Thomas Gataker B. of D. and author of the former treatise.A iust defence of certaine passages in a former treatise concerning the nature and vse of lots, against such exceptions and oppositions as have beene made thereunto to Mr. I.B. Wherein the insufficiencie of his answers giuen to the arguments brought in defence of a lusorious lot is manifested; the imbecillitie of his arguments produced against the same further discouered; and the point it selfe in controuersie more fully cleared; by Thomas Gataker B. of D. and author of the former treatise.
London: printed by John Haviland for Robert Bird, 1623London: printed by Iohn Haviland for Robert Bird, 1623
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T. G. If a man grant Mr. B. his Ifs still, he can prove any thing: else nothing. He said but even now that he doth not here prove it, and yet presently upon it, he telleth us, If then it be so &c. as if it were here proved to hand. But unless that be proved, all that followeth is just nought. For nought and nought and nought maketh nought; as in Ciphering they use to say. Yet that praying & playing do not at all run well, I hope Mr. B. will not affirm. For albeit a man may not play with prayer, yet he may pray, I hope, before he play; yea and upon just occasion too at his play. That absurd Position, as Mr. B. here implieth it to be, hath been sufficiently canvased already; and hath more truth in it, I believe, than Mr. B. is aware of. If ought further come against it, it shall in his due place be answered. That here alleged of Prayer used with some Lot, no way crosseth it; nor doth Mr. B. show wherein it any way doth.
T. G. If a man grant Mr. B. his Ifs still, hee can proue any thing: else nothing. He said but euen now that he doth not here proue it, and yet presently vpon it, he telleth vs, If then it be so &c. as if it were heere proued to hand. But vnlesse that bee proued, all that followeth is iust nought. For nought and nought and nought maketh nought; as in Ciphering they vse to say. Yet that praying & playing doe not at all runne well, I hope Mr. B. will not affirme. For albeit a man may not play with praier, yet hee may pray, I hope, before he play; yea and vpon iust occasion too at his play. That absurd Position, as Mr. B. here implieth it to be, hath beene sufficiently canuased already; and hath more truth in it, I beleeue, than Mr. B. is aware of. If ought further come against it, it shall in his due place be answered. That here alledged of Praier vsed with some Lot, no way crosseth it; nor doth Mr. B. shew wherein it any way doth.
I. B. Lastly, It serveth my turn that Mr. G. acknowledgeth that Gods name, and an Holy thing is abused, whensoever an extraordinary Lot is contemned, because an immediate providence of God is therein. For the same cause an ordinary Lot is the Name of God and an Holy thing, and therefore not to be abused in sport. But Mr. G. hath shown before, that a Lot is not in it self an Holy thing. Indeed; he would have shown in his third