A01540:611
A just defence of certain passages in a former treatise concerning the nature and…A iust defence of certaine passages in a former treatise concerning the nature and…
A just defence of certain passages in a former treatise concerning the nature and use of lots, against such exceptions and oppositions as have been made thereunto to Mr. I.B. Wherein the insufficiency of his answers given to the arguments brought in defence of a lusorious lot is manifested; the imbecility of his arguments produced against the same further discovered; and the point it self in controversy more fully cleared; by Thomas Gataker B. of D. and author of the former treatise.A iust defence of certaine passages in a former treatise concerning the nature and vse of lots, against such exceptions and oppositions as have beene made thereunto to Mr. I.B. Wherein the insufficiencie of his answers giuen to the arguments brought in defence of a lusorious lot is manifested; the imbecillitie of his arguments produced against the same further discouered; and the point it selfe in controuersie more fully cleared; by Thomas Gataker B. of D. and author of the former treatise.
London: printed by John Haviland for Robert Bird, 1623London: printed by Iohn Haviland for Robert Bird, 1623
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T. G. Now we have Mr. Bs. collection, not awkward, as mine, but direct, as his are wont to be. Where first I would understand wherein Mr. Bs. cause differs from Mr. Gs. cause: that is, whether that, whatsoever it be, that is there forbidden, be not therefore, yea and therefore only there forbidden, because God had determined his own worship. That which was Mr. Bs. exception against Mr. Gs. cause before. 2. I would be informed whether Mr. B. will affirm that all particular circumstances of Gods service and worship be precisely determined in the word, for if that be not his meaning here, what saith he more than I say? If it be, let him return answer to the instances produced to the contrary before. For the conceit it self is so senseless, that hit deserveth not further to be refuted; neither do I think that any man living will concur with Mr. B. therein. 3. For the place out of Numbers produced by him, whereby he would prove that, (whatsoever it is) that he saith, it doth no more prove that all things in the service of God ought to be precisely according to Gods will revealed in his word, than that all other humane actions as well civill as sacred ought so to be. For the place speaketh of iGods commandments in general▪ 4. How followeth it hence that no action or circumstance ⟨p. 268⟩in Gods service, yea or in other affairs i• left free, because all such things ought to be precisely according to Gods will revealed in his word? I suppose that that Christian that being invited by a Gentile, when there was no just cause otherwise to hinder his going, did as well in going to an Infidels table walk according to the precise rule of Gods word, as he should have done in not going: and in eating indifferently of each dish, as in forbearing either this or that when he was there. And I suppose they walk precisely according to the rule of Gods written word, as well where they begin their solemn service of God on the Sabbath day at seven of the clock, as where they begin it at eight, or at nine. Which yet were not, if that circumstance of time were precisely determined, and nothing at all therein left free.
T. G. Now we haue Mr. Bs. collection, not auckward, as mine, but direct, as his are wont to be. Where first I would vnderstand wherein Mr. Bs. cause differs from Mr. Gs. cause: that is, whether that, whatsoeuer it be, that is there forbidden, be not therefore, yea and therefore onely there forbidden, because God had determined his owne worship. That which was Mr. Bs. exception against Mr. Gs. cause before. 2. I would be informed whether Mr. B. will affirme that all particular circumstances of Gods seruice and worship be precisely determined in the word, for if that be not his meaning here, what saith hee more than I say? If it be, let him returne answer to the instances produced to the contrary before. For the conceit it selfe is so senslesse, that