I pray you,1 Which these Mysteries mean ye? Those that ye have in your new communion, or those that we have at the altar of God in the Catholic Church of Christ? If ye mean your own new devised toy, thereof ye cannot bring any sufficient reason against the Church, pardie, which condemneth the same. If ye mean the Holy Mysteries of the Catholic Church, ye misreport the matter. For by that exhortation, ye speak of,* the people are not prepared to receive the Communion only, nor chiefly: but to dispose them selves accordingly and as it becometh them to pray: for to that end be these words, Sursum corda, up with your hearts, pronounced by the Priest in the Preface before prayer. Read S. Cyprian in Sermone 6. De Oratione Dominica. And ye shall find him to refer the whole to prayer. But what if we admit your words, refusing your Heretical meaning? We grant, the people are to good purpose so exhorted, as ye say, and that he is in Heaven, whose flesh we feed on in this Sacrament, thereby to attain to life Everlasting. What conclude ye of this? Ergo he is not here? For at that mark ye shoot, every man may see. Here we tell you, that your Rhetoric is better stuff,3 then your Logic: for your argument is foolish. With the one ye may lead the simple perhaps, with the other ye move the Learned to laugh at you. For Christ is in Heaven, and also here, as Chrysostome saithe, Et hic plenus existens, & illic plenus, Unum Corpus. *He is here fully, and there fully, one Body. These two propositions, Christ is in Heaven, and Christ is here, may well stand together, without jutting the one the other out of place. He is there at the right hand of the Father visibly, he is here under the Forms of Bread and Wine, invisibly: there in glory, here in Mystery▪ yet as truly and fully here, as there, concerning his‡ Substance, as Chrysostom saith. Ye proceed forth, and say.
I praie you,1 Whiche these Mysteries meane ye? Those that ye haue in your newe communion, or those that we haue at the aulter of God in the Catholike Churche of Christe? If ye meane your owne newe deuised toye, thereof ye cannot bringe any sufficient reason againste the Churche, pardy, whiche condemneth the same. If ye meane the Holy Mysteries of the Catholike Churche, ye misreporte the mater. For by that exhortation, ye speake of,* the people are not prepared to receiue the Communion onely, nor chifely: but to dispose them selues accordingly and as it becommeth them to praie: for to that ende be these woordes, Sursum corda, vp with your hartes, pronounced by the Prieste in the Preface before prayer. Reade S. Cyprian in Sermone 6. De Oratione Dominica. And ye shal finde him to referre the whole to praier. But what if we admitte your woordes, refusinge your Heretical meaninge? VVe graunte, the people are to good purpose so exhorted, as ye saie, and that he is in Heauen, whose fleash we feede on in this Sacramente, thereby to attaine to life Euerlastinge. VVhat conclude ye of this? Ergo he is not here? For at that marke ye shoote, euery man maye see. Here we tel you, that your Rhetorike is better stuffe,3 then your Logike: for your argumente is foolishe. VVith the one ye maie leade the simple perhaps, with the other ye moue the Learned to laugh at you. For Christe is in Heauen, and also here, as Chrysostome saithe, Et hic plenus existens, & illic plenus, Vnum Corpus. *He is here fully, and there fully, one Body. These two propositions, Christe is in Heauen, and Christe is here, may wel stande togeather, without iuttinge the one the other out of place. He is there at the right hande of the Father visibly, he is here vnder the Formes of Breade and VVine, inuisibly: there in glorie, here in Mysterie▪ yet as truly and fully here, as there, concerninge his‡ Substance, as Chrysostome saith. Ye procede foorth, and saie.
- 1Sursum Corda.
- *Untruth. Here M. Harding misreporteth his own Mass-book.Vntruth. Here M. Hardinge misreporteth his ovvne Masse-booke.
- 3A foolish argument. In Epist. ad Heb. Homil. 17. Christ is both in Heaven and also here in the Sacrament.A foolishe argument. In Epist. ad Heb. Homil. 17. Christe is both in Heauen and also here in the Sacrament.
- *Christ is in Heaven, by the Substance of his Body: & here by working, or by Grace.Christe is in Heauen, by the Substance of his Body: & here by vvorkinge, or by Grace.
- ‡Untruth. For Chrysostom never, neither wrote so, nor meant so.Vntruthe. For Chrysostome neuer, neither vvrote so, nor meante so.
