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A reply unto M. Hardinges answerA replie vnto M. Hardinges ansvveare
A reply unto M. Hardinges answer by perusing whereof the discrete, and diligent reader may easily see, the weak, and unstable grounds of the Romaine religion, which of late hath been accounted Catholic. By John Jewel Bishop of Salisbury.A replie vnto M. Hardinges ansvveare by perusinge whereof the discrete, and diligent reader may easily see, the weake, and vnstable groundes of the Romaine religion, whiche of late hath beene accompted Catholique. By Iohn Iewel Bishoppe of Sarisburie.
Imprinted at London : In Fleetestreate, at the sign of the Black Oliphant, by Henry Wykes, Anno. 1565Imprinted at London : In Fleetestreate, at the signe of the Blacke Oliphante, by Henry VVykes, Anno. 1565
Article 3 › The B. of Salisbury.Article 3 › The B. of Sarisburie.
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First he saith, S. Augustine's words be otherwise, then I report them. I assure thee, good Reader, if this great error had been worth the showing, it had never been suffered thus to pass in silence.
First he saithe, S. Augustines woordes be otherwise, then I reporte them. I assure thée, good Reader, if this great errour had béene woorthe the shewinge, it had neuer béene suffred thus to passe in silence.
But to shift of S. Augustine's words, here is brought in a Gloss plain contrary to the text. For this comparison, saith M. Harding, between Men, and Birds, must be taken, not of the words, but of the sense and understanding. And what reason leadeth him thus to say: Verily Birds are utterly void of reason, and neither understand the words, they be taught to speak, nor the meaning of the words. And yet must we only upon this simple warrant, needs believe, that S. Augustine compareth Birds with Men in understanding?
But to shifte of S. Augustines woordes, here is brought in a Glose plaine contrary to the texte. For this comparison, saithe M. Hardinge, betweene Menne, and Birdes, muste be taken, not of the woordes, but of the sense and vnderstandinge. And what reason leadeth him thus to say: Uerily Birdes are vtterly voide of reason, and neither vnderstande the woordes, they be taught to speake, nor the meaninge of the woordes. And yet muste we onely vpon this simple warrante, needes beleeue, that S. Augustine compareth Birdes with Menne in vnderstandinge?
S. Augustine's meaning is plain, as is the meaning of other godly Fathers in this behalf, that the people should know, what they pray, and so singe with reason agreeable to a Man, and not chatter with voice, as Birds do. For if they Singe, or Pray, they know not what, he saith, that for their sound of voice, and want of sense, they may be well compared with Ouzels, or Popinjays. This is the very drift of S. Augustine's meaning. Birds by skill may be trained to record, and sound Mens words, although they have no understanding of them: As Plinius writeth of the Raven, that was taught to say, Ave Caesar Imperator, All hail Emperor Caesar: an other that had learned to say, Salve victor Antoni: All hail Antonius the Conqueror. and Caelius Rhodiginus writeth that Cardinal Ascanius had a Popinjay,