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A reply unto M. Hardinges answerA replie vnto M. Hardinges ansvveare
A reply unto M. Hardinges answer by perusing whereof the discrete, and diligent reader may easily see, the weak, and unstable grounds of the Romaine religion, which of late hath been accounted Catholic. By John Jewel Bishop of Salisbury.A replie vnto M. Hardinges ansvveare by perusinge whereof the discrete, and diligent reader may easily see, the weake, and vnstable groundes of the Romaine religion, whiche of late hath beene accompted Catholique. By Iohn Iewel Bishoppe of Sarisburie.
Imprinted at London : In Fleetestreate, at the sign of the Black Oliphant, by Henry Wykes, Anno. 1565Imprinted at London : In Fleetestreate, at the signe of the Blacke Oliphante, by Henry VVykes, Anno. 1565
Article 3 › M. Harding. The .27. Division.Article 3 › M. Hardinge. The .27. Diuision.
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M. Harding. The .27. Division.
M. Hardinge. The .27. Diuision.
Where as you M. Ivel, allege S. Paul for your purpose, and make him to say thus, otherwise then he wrote,1 If thou make thy prayer in the congregation with thy sprite, or noise of strange words, how shall the unlearned man thereunto say Amen? For he knoweth not what thou sayest: you bo• bas•e this text with your own counter feit stuffing. The translation authorised by king Edward and his Counsel, is truer, and followeth the Greek nearer, which hath thus. When thou blessest with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned, say Amen, at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not, what thou sayest? Here the Apostle S. Paul speaketh of Blessing, or thanks giving with the spirit, which spirit, what it is, it is not easy to declare, after the judgement of your own Patriarch John Calvin. S. Ambrose taketh it for the spirit we have received in Baptism, that doth incline, and move us to prayer. S. Thomas, for the holy ghost given to us, for reason, and for the power imaginative. Erasmus, for the voice it self. Isidorus Clarius, for the power of pronouncing or utterance, some, for the breathe that passeth the throat, some for the intention, S. Augustine very subtly, Pro apprehensione quae ideas concipit, & signa rerum. Calvin in his Institutions, De oratione Cap. 15. for the sound of the mouth, that is caused of the breathe of a mans throat, and rebounding of the air. Chrysostom, for the spiritual gift, or the gift of the holy ghost to speak with tongues. Which Calvin him self, sitting in judgement as it were, upon this doubtful matter, alloweth best, and condemneth the mind of all others, and also his own, though unawares, as it seemeth: and so he would condemn your noise of strange words likewise, if he heard it. This text being so doubtful of it self in sense, so put out of tune by your noise of strange words, wherewith you descant upon the word, Spirit, so violently applied by your new fangled exposition, maketh little to the condemnation of the Latin Service in the Latin Church: specially seeing that S. Paul meaneth by that miraculous speaking with tongues, used, or rather abused among the Corinthians, a far different manner of speaking from that speaking, whereby the Priest uttereth the Common Service.