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A reply unto M. Hardinges answerA replie vnto M. Hardinges ansvveare
A reply unto M. Hardinges answer by perusing whereof the discrete, and diligent reader may easily see, the weak, and unstable grounds of the Romaine religion, which of late hath been accounted Catholic. By John Jewel Bishop of Salisbury.A replie vnto M. Hardinges ansvveare by perusinge whereof the discrete, and diligent reader may easily see, the weake, and vnstable groundes of the Romaine religion, whiche of late hath beene accompted Catholique. By Iohn Iewel Bishoppe of Sarisburie.
Imprinted at London : In Fleetestreate, at the sign of the Black Oliphant, by Henry Wykes, Anno. 1565Imprinted at London : In Fleetestreate, at the signe of the Blacke Oliphante, by Henry VVykes, Anno. 1565
Article 3 › The B. of Salisbury.Article 3 › The B. of Sarisburie.
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I grant, there appear great notes of difference between the order of the Primitive Church, and the order that now is in the Church of Rome. For, to leave all that M. Harding hath here touched by way of comparison, and to note that may seem near to this purpose, The rulers there wished, and laboured that the people might abound in knowledge: Here, their whole labour and study is, that the people may abound in ignorance. There, the Ministers spake with sundry tongues, that the people of all Nations might understand them: Here, the Minister speaketh in a strange tongue, to the intent that no man may understand him. There, the simple, and the ignorant were made eloquent: Here, the Bishops, and Cardinals, and greatest learned are made dumb. And to prosecute no further, there appeared in the Primitive Church, the undoubted works of the holy Ghost, and the very tracts, and steppes of Christs feet: and therefore Irenaeus, 1and other Old Fathers, in cases of doubt, appealed evermore to the order, and example of that Church. And Tertullian saith, Hoc aduersus omnes haereses valet, 2id esse verum, quodcunque prius: id esse adulterum, quodcunque posterius. This Mark prevaileth against all Heresies: That is the trueth that was used first, that is false, and corrupt, that was brought in afterward. And therefore the Holy Fathers in the Council3 of Nice made this general shout, and agreed upon the same, [Greek or Hebrew]. Let the ancient orders hold still, referring them selves thereby, to the use and order of the Primitive Church. Contrariwise, Ualentinus, Marcion, and other like Heretics, thought them selves wisest of all others, and therefore utterly refused (as M. Harding and his fellows now do) to stand to the Apostles orders: Thus Irenaeus 4writeth of them: Dicent se, non solùm Presbyteris, sed etiam Apostolis sapientiores esse, & sinceram veritatem inuenisse. They will say, that they are wiser, not only then other priests, but also then the Apostles, and that they have found out the perfect trueth. I say not, M. Harding is so wickedly minded, as Ualentinus, or Marcion was: but thus I say, He utterly refuseth, to stand to the Apostles orders, and followeth other late devised fantasies: and therein undoubtedly doth, even as the old Heretics Marcion, and Ualentinus did.