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A reply unto M. Hardinges answerA replie vnto M. Hardinges ansvveare
A reply unto M. Hardinges answer by perusing whereof the discrete, and diligent reader may easily see, the weak, and unstable grounds of the Romaine religion, which of late hath been accounted Catholic. By John Jewel Bishop of Salisbury.A replie vnto M. Hardinges ansvveare by perusinge whereof the discrete, and diligent reader may easily see, the weake, and vnstable groundes of the Romaine religion, whiche of late hath beene accompted Catholique. By Iohn Iewel Bishoppe of Sarisburie.
Imprinted at London : In Fleetestreate, at the sign of the Black Oliphant, by Henry Wykes, Anno. 1565Imprinted at London : In Fleetestreate, at the signe of the Blacke Oliphante, by Henry VVykes, Anno. 1565
Article 6 › The B. of Salisbury.Article 6 › The B. of Sarisburie.
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Over all this M. Harding throweth a sweet mist, to carry away the simple in the dark. Christs Body (saith he) is in the Sacrament, not by Local, but by Substantial presence: Carnally, but not in carnal manner: placed in the Pyx, in the hand, in the mouth: and yet in no place at all: a very Natural Body, even as it was upon the Cross: yet without all manner Quantity, and Dimensions, or Proportions of a Body, that is, neither thick, nor broad, nor short, nor long: there now, where before it was not: and yet without any shifting, or change of places. Onlesse this man were fast asleep, he could never fall into so deep a Dream. In these Fantasies he seemeth well to agree with the Old Heretics, Eutyches, and Manichee. For even such a Body they imagined, that Christ received of the Blessed Virgin: and yet were they Heretics notwithstanding. For which of all the Old learned Fathers ever taught us this strange Doctrine? Who ever durst to spoil Christ of his Place, of his Quantity, and of the natural Proportions of his Body? If the Doctors of the Church say thus, why are they not alleged? If they say not thus, why is this matter carried away with such countenance of Antiquity? Or why doth M. Harding thus avouch this unsensible & unsavoury learning, only upon his own credit, without the Authority of any Doctor?1 The Manichees in old times, the better to maintain their error, & to avoid absurdities, were driven to say, there were two Gods: The one Good: the other I•. Even so M. Harding, to maintain his errors, & to avoid infinite absurdities, is driven to say, There are two Christs: The one Local, the other not Local: The one above, the other beneath: The one with proportion of Body, the other without proportion.
Ouer al this M. Hardinge throweth a swéete myste, to carie away the simple in the darke. Christes Bodie (saith he) is in the Sacrament, not by Local, but by Substantial presence: Carnally, but not in carnal manner: placed in the Pyxe, in the hande, in the mouthe: and yet in no place at al: a very Natural Bodie, euen as it was vpon the Crosse: yet without al manner Quantitie, and Dimensions, or Proportions of a Bodie, that is, neither thicke, nor broade, nor shorte, nor longe: there now, where before it was not: and yet without any shiftinge, or change of places. Onlesse this man were fast asleape, he coulde neuer fal into so deepe a Dreame. In these Fantasies he séemeth wel to agrée with the Olde Heretiques, Eutyches, and Manichee. For euen suche a Bodie they imagined, that Christe receiued of the Blissed Uirgin: and yet were they Heretiques notwithstandinge. For whiche of al the Olde learned Fathers euer taught vs this strange Doctrine? Who euer durst to spoile Christe of his Place, of his Quantitie, and of the natural Proportions of his Bodie? If the Doctours of the Churche say thus, why are they not alleged? If they say not thus, why is this mater caried away with such countenance of Antiquitie? Or why doothe M. Hardinge thus auouche this vnsensible & vnsauerie learninge, onely vpon his owne credite, without the Authoritie of any Doctour?