But because M. Ivel, and they of that sect, seem to set little by these Fathers, though very Ancient, S. Bernard excepted, and of the Church holden for Saints, I will bring forth the Authority of Martin Bucer, a late Doctor of their side, though not Canonizate for a Saint as yet▪ for that I know. This new Father, whom they esteem so much, and was the Reader of Divinity in Cambridge in king Edwards time, very vehemently, and for so much truly, affirmeth the true Real presence of Christs Body in the Sacrament. For he saith, Christ said not, This is my spirit, This is my Virtue: But this is my Body. Wherefore we must believe (saith he) Christs Body to be there, even the same that did hang upon the Cross, our Lord himself. Which in some part to declare,1 he useth the similitude of the sun for his purpose, contrary to M. Ivelles Negative, to prove Christs Body present, and that Really, and Substantially, in what places so ever the Sacrament is rightly Ministered.2 His words be these. Ut sol verè uno in loco Coeli visibilis circumscriptus est, radijs tamen suis praesens Verè & Substantialiter exhibetur ubilibet Orbis: Ita Dominus, etiam si circumscribatur uno loco Coeli arcani, & Divini, id est, Gloriae Patris, Verbo tamen suo, & Sacris Symbolis, verè, & totus ipse Deus, & homo praesens exhibetur in Sacra Coena, eóque substantialiter, quam praesentiam non minus certò agnoscit mens credens Verbis his Domini, & Symbolis, quàm oculi vident, & habent Solem praesentem demonstratum, & exhibitum sua corporally luce. Res ista arcana est, & Novi Testamenti, res Fidei: non sunt igitur huc admittendae cogitationes de praesentatione Corporis, quae constat ratione huius vitae▪ etiam pa•ibilis, & fluxae. Verbo Domini simpliciter inhaerendum est, & debet Fides sensuum defectui praebere supplementum. Which may thus be Englished. As the Sun is truly placed determinately in one place of the visible heaven, and yet is exhibited truly, and substantially by his beams everywhere abroad in the world: So our Lord, although he be contained in one place of the Secrete and Divine Heaven, that is to wit, the Glory of his Father, yet for all that, by his Word, and holy Tokens, he is exhibited present in his holy Supper truly, and him self whole, God, and Man, and therefore Substantially, or in Substance.
But because M. Iuel, and they of that secte, seeme to sette litle by these Fathers, though very Auncient, S. Bernarde excepted, and of the Churche holden for Sainctes, I wil bringe foorthe the Authoritie of Martin Bucer, a late Doctour of their syde, though not Canonizate for a Sainte as yet▪ for that I knowe. This newe Father, whom they esteeme so muche, and was the Reader of Diuinitie in Cambridge in kinge Edwardes time, very vehemently, and for so muche truely, affirmeth the true Real presence of Christes Bodie in the Sacramente. For he saith, Christe saide not, This is my spirite, This is my Vertue: But this is my Bodie. VVherefore we must beleeue (saith he) Christes Bodie to be there, euen the same that did hange vpon the Crosse, our Lorde himselfe. VVhiche in some parte to declare,1 he vseth the similitude of the sunne for his purpose, cōtrary to M. Iuelles Negatiue, to proue Christes Bodie present, and that Really, and Substantially, in what places so euer the Sacramente is rightly Ministred.2 His woordes be these. Vt sol verè vno in loco Coeli visibilis circumscriptus est, radijs tamen suis praesens Verè & Substantialiter exhibetur vbilibet Orbis: Ita Dominus, etiam si circumscribatur vno loco Coeli arcani, & Diuini, id est, Gloriae Patris, Verbo tamen suo, & Sacris Symbolis, verè, & totus ipse Deus, & homo praesens exhibetur in Sacra Coena, eóque substantialiter, quam praesentiam non minus certò agnoscit mens credens Verbis his Domini, & Symbolis, quàm oculi vident, & habent Solem praesentem demonstratum, & exhibitum sua corporali luce. Res ista arcana est, & Noui Testamenti, res Fidei: non sunt igitur huc admittendae cogitationes de praesentatione Corporis, quae constat ratione huius vitae▪ etiam pa•ibilis, & fluxae. Verbo Domini simpliciter inhaerendum est, & debet Fides sensuum defectui praebere supplemētum. VVhiche maie thus be Englisshed. As the Sunne is truely placed determinately in one place of the visible heauen, and yet is exhibited truely, and substantially by his beames euerywhere abroade in the worlde: So our Lorde, although he be conteined in one place of the Secrete and Diuine Heauen, that is to witte, the Glorie of his Father, yet for al that, by his VVoorde, and holy Tokens, he is exhibited present in his holie Supper truely, and him self whole, God, and Man, and therefore Substantially, or in Substance.
- 1This Similitude of the Sonne clearly openeth the whole matter. For the Substance, or Body of the Sonne is Really present only in one place.This Similitude of the Sonne clearely openeth the vvhole mater. For the Substance, or Bodie of the Sonne is Really present onely in one place.
- 2In Comment•. i•. 16. cap. Matthaei.In Commēt•. i•. 16. cap. Matthaei.
