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A reply unto M. Hardinges answerA replie vnto M. Hardinges ansvveare
A reply unto M. Hardinges answer by perusing whereof the discrete, and diligent reader may easily see, the weak, and unstable grounds of the Romaine religion, which of late hath been accounted Catholic. By John Jewel Bishop of Salisbury.A replie vnto M. Hardinges ansvveare by perusinge whereof the discrete, and diligent reader may easily see, the weake, and vnstable groundes of the Romaine religion, whiche of late hath beene accompted Catholique. By Iohn Iewel Bishoppe of Sarisburie.
Imprinted at London : In Fleetestreate, at the sign of the Black Oliphant, by Henry Wykes, Anno. 1565Imprinted at London : In Fleetestreate, at the signe of the Blacke Oliphante, by Henry VVykes, Anno. 1565
Article 8 › The B. of Salisbury.Article 8 › The B. of Sarisburie.
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Here, Good Christian Reader, note by the way: M. Harding saith, The Nature, and Substance of the Bread and Wine, is utterly abolished, and done away: But the Catholic man saith, The same Nature, and Substance remaineth still, as it was before. If the Catholic mans saying be Catholic, then M. Hardinges saying is not Catholic.
Here, Good Christian Reader, note by the waye: M. Hardinge saithe, The Nature, and Substance of the Breade and Wine, is vtterly abolished, and doone awaye: But the Catholique man saithe, The same Nature, and Substance remaineth stil, as it was before. If the Catholique mannes saieinge be Catholique, then M. Hardinges saieinge is not Catholique.
M. Harding will reply,1 But these Signs are honoured. Even so S. Augustine saith, Baptisma, ubicunque est, veneramur: Wee honour Baptism, where so ever it be. But for further answer hereto, understand thou good Reader, that Theodorete was a Greek Bishop, and that the Graecians never used to give godly honour to the Sacrament until this day. Further understand thou, that S. Ambrose, touching the Sacrament, writeth thus,2 Venisti ad altare: vidisti Sacramenta posita super Altar: & ipsam quidem miratus es Creaturam. Tamen Creatura ⟨p. 409⟩solennis, & nota. Thou camest to the Altar: thou sawest the Sacraments laid upon the same: and diddest marvel at the very Creature. Yet is it a Creature used, and known. Here S. Ambrose calleth the Sacrament a Creature, and that twice together in one place. I think, M. Harding will not have us believe, that Theodoretus, being so godly a man, gave godly honour unto a Creature.
M. Hardinge wil replie,1 But these Signes are honoured. Euen so S. Augustine saithe, Baptisma, vbicunque est, veneramur: VVee honour Baptisme, where so euer it be. But for further answeare hereto, vnderstande thou good Reader, that Theodorete was a Gréeke Bishop, and that the Graecians neuer vsed to geue godly honoure to the Sacrament vntil this day. Further vnderstande thou, that S. Ambrose, touchinge the Sacrament, writeth thus,