A reply unto M. Hardinges answerA replie vnto M. Hardinges ansvveare

The B. of Salisbury.

The B. of Sarisburie.

M. Harding granteth, that this Doctrine hath no express Authority by precise terms, neither in the Scriptures, nor in the Ancient Councils, nor in any Old Father, Greek, or Latin: yet the Old Fathers both Greeks, & Latins, in their kinds were counted Eloquent, & were thought •able to utter their Doctrine in express, and precise words, if there had been then any such Doctrine received in the Church. Wherefore finding herein such want of all Antiquity, we may be bold expressly, and in precise terms to say, This seemeth to be a very New Doctrine, resting only upon a False Position, and a little coloured with drift of Reason: which Reason notwithstanding never entered into mans head, within a whole thousand years, after that the Gospel had been preached. By like Position, and by like drift, the Old Heretics the Manichees held, that all, that outwardly appeared in Christ, was nothing else, but Accidents: that is, as M. Harding him self expoundeth it, the Form, the Shape, the Colour, the Weight, and so in deed nothing else, but the Show, and Appearance, and Fantasy of a Body. From such Doctors, it appeareth, these men have received their New Doctrine. For Doctor Tonstal confesseth, It was first determined in the Council of Lateran,¹ which was holden in Rome in the year of our Lord a thousand, two hundred, and fifteen: and that, before that time it was evermore free for any man, without impeachment of his Faith, to hold the contrary.

M. Hardinge graunteth, that this Doctrine hath no expresse Authoritie by precise termes, neither in the Scriptures, nor in the Ancient Councelles, nor in any Olde Father, Gréeke, or Latine: yet the Olde Fathers bothe Gréekes, & Latines, in their kindes were counted Eloquent, & were thought •able to vtter their Doctrine in expresse, and precise woordes, if there had béene then any suche Doctrine receiued in the Churche. Wherefore findinge herein suche wante of al Antiquitie, wee may be bolde expressely, and in precise termes to say, This séemeth to be a very New Doctrine, restinge onely vpon a False Position, and a litle coloured with drifte of Reason: whiche Reason notwithstanding neuer entred into mans head, within a whole thousande yéeres, after that the Gospel had béene preached. By like Position, and by like drifte, the Olde Heretiques the Manichees helde, that al, that outwardly appeared in Christe, was nothinge els, but Accidentes: that is, as M. Hardinge him selfe expoundeth it, the Forme, the Shape, the Coloure, the Weight, and so in deede nothinge els, but the Shew, and Appearance, and Fantasie of a Bodie. From suche Doctours, it appeareth, these men haue receiued their New Doctrine. For Doctour Tonstal confesseth, It was first determined in the Councel of Laterane,