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A reply unto M. Hardinges answerA replie vnto M. Hardinges ansvveare
A reply unto M. Hardinges answer by perusing whereof the discrete, and diligent reader may easily see, the weak, and unstable grounds of the Romaine religion, which of late hath been accounted Catholic. By John Jewel Bishop of Salisbury.A replie vnto M. Hardinges ansvveare by perusinge whereof the discrete, and diligent reader may easily see, the weake, and vnstable groundes of the Romaine religion, whiche of late hath beene accompted Catholique. By Iohn Iewel Bishoppe of Sarisburie.
Imprinted at London : In Fleetestreate, at the sign of the Black Oliphant, by Henry Wykes, Anno. 1565Imprinted at London : In Fleetestreate, at the signe of the Blacke Oliphante, by Henry VVykes, Anno. 1565
Article 12 › The B. of Salisbury.Article 12 › The B. of Sarisburie.
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The B. of Salisbury.
The B. of Sarisburie.
In this saying of S. Augustine M. Harding seemeth specially to note these three words, Forma, Operta, and Inuisibilis: which being answered, I hope the force of his collection will soon appear. First, if M. Harding will say, that this word, Forma, must needs be taken for the outward Show, and Appearance of Bread, then must he needs fall into a great inconvenience, and become either a Patron, or a Scholar of the Old Heretic Marcion, who upon the very same word erected his Heresy: and of these words of S. Paul, Formā serui suscepit, reasoned then, as M. Harding doeth now, Ergo, Christ had nothing else, but the outward Form, and Appearance, or Shape of a Mans Body. But it is known to the Learned, that as well among the Philosophers, as also among the Old Catholic learned Fathers, these words, Forma, and Species, are taken, not only for the outward Appearance, but also for Nature, and Substance if self. So S. Hierome imagineth Christ to say,1 Declinavi ad eos deserens Regna Coelorum, ut cum eis vescerer, assumpta Forma Hominis: I went down unto them, leaving the Kingdoms of Heaven, that I might eat with them, having received the Form of Man. I leave S. Augustine, S. Ambrose, and other like Authorities. This matter is proved more at large in the tenth Article, and sixth Division. By these •ewe it may appear, that this word, Forma, importeth, not only a Show, but also the very Substance of the Bread.
In this saieinge of S. Augustine M. Hardinge séemeth specially to note these thrée woordes, Forma, Operta, and Inuisibilis: whiche beinge answeared, I hoape the force of his collection wil soone appeare. Firste, if M. Hardinge wil saie, that this woorde, Forma, must néedes be taken for the outwarde Shewe, and Appearance of Breade, then muste he néedes fal into a great inconuenience, and become either a Patrone, or a Scholar of the Olde Heretique Marcion, who vpon the very same woorde erected his Heresie: and of these woordes of S. Paule, Formā serui suscepit, reasoned then, as M. Hardinge dooeth nowe, Ergo, Christe had nothing els, but the outwarde Forme, and Appearance, or Shape of a Mans Bodie. But it is knowen to the Learned, that as wel emonge the Philosophers, as also emonge the Olde Catholique learned Fathers, these woordes, Forma, and Species, are taken, not onely for the outwarde Appearance, but also for Nature, and Substance if selfe. So S. Hierome imagineth Christe to say,