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A reply unto M. Hardinges answerA replie vnto M. Hardinges ansvveare
A reply unto M. Hardinges answer by perusing whereof the discrete, and diligent reader may easily see, the weak, and unstable grounds of the Romaine religion, which of late hath been accounted Catholic. By John Jewel Bishop of Salisbury.A replie vnto M. Hardinges ansvveare by perusinge whereof the discrete, and diligent reader may easily see, the weake, and vnstable groundes of the Romaine religion, whiche of late hath beene accompted Catholique. By Iohn Iewel Bishoppe of Sarisburie.
Imprinted at London : In Fleetestreate, at the sign of the Black Oliphant, by Henry Wykes, Anno. 1565Imprinted at London : In Fleetestreate, at the signe of the Blacke Oliphante, by Henry VVykes, Anno. 1565
Article 16 › The B. of Salisbury.Article 16 › The B. of Sarisburie.
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The B. of Salisbury.
The B. of Sarisburie.
Here M. Harding, for want of other proofs, presumeth of him self, that in Old times the Prayer before Consecration, was pronounced, as he saith, Closely, and in Silence. And that he guesseth only by this word, Secreta: which is a term peculiar only to his Massebooke: & in the Old Catholic Fathers was never found. And yet doth not the same import any such Silence, or Secrecy, as M. Harding supposeth. For so Gerardus1 Lorichius writeth of it: Non arbitrandū est, Orationem eam dici Secretam, quasi non liceat Laicis, illam vel nosse, vel audire: Sed quòd juxtà atque Canon, non cantetur voce altiori: We may not think, that the Prayer is called, Secreta, for that it is not lawful for the Lay people to know it, or to hear it: but only, for that it is not song out with loud voice, as is the Canon. Therefore M. Harding concludeth this matter with two untruths both together.
Here M. Hardinge, for wante of other proufes, presumeth of him selfe, that in Olde times the Praier before Consecration, was pronounced, as he saith, Closely, and in Silence. And that he gheasseth onely by this woorde, Secreta: whiche is a terme peculiar onely to his Massebooke: & in the Olde Catholique Fathers was neuer founde. And yet doothe not the same importe any suche Silence, or Secresie, as M. Hardinge supposeth. For so Gerardus1 Lorichius writeth of it: Non arbitrandū est, Orationem eam dici Secretam, quasi non liceat Laicis, illam vel nosse, vel audire: Sed quòd iuxtà atque Canon, non cantetur voce altiori: Wee may not thinke, that the Praier is called, Secreta, for that it is not lawful for the Laie people to know it, or to heare it: but onely, for that it is not songe out with loude voice, as is the Canon. Therefore M. Hardinge concludeth this mater with twoo vntruethes bothe togeather.