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A reply unto M. Hardinges answerA replie vnto M. Hardinges ansvveare
A reply unto M. Hardinges answer by perusing whereof the discrete, and diligent reader may easily see, the weak, and unstable grounds of the Romaine religion, which of late hath been accounted Catholic. By John Jewel Bishop of Salisbury.A replie vnto M. Hardinges ansvveare by perusinge whereof the discrete, and diligent reader may easily see, the weake, and vnstable groundes of the Romaine religion, whiche of late hath beene accompted Catholique. By Iohn Iewel Bishoppe of Sarisburie.
Imprinted at London : In Fleetestreate, at the sign of the Black Oliphant, by Henry Wykes, Anno. 1565Imprinted at London : In Fleetestreate, at the signe of the Blacke Oliphante, by Henry VVykes, Anno. 1565
Article 17 › The B. of Salisbury.Article 17 › The B. of Sarisburie.
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This is the Difference that S. Augustine noteth between the Sacraments of the Old Law, and the Sacraments of the New. Therefore, the words, that M. Harding hath hereunto added, Christ is offered up unto his Father, and that under the Forms of Bread, and Wine, yea and that truly, and in deed, are his own only words, confidently, and boldly presumed of him self, never used, neither by S. Augustine, nor by any other Ancient godly Father.
This is the Difference that S. Augustine noteth bitwéene the Sacramentes of the Olde Lawe, and the Sacramentes of the Newe. Therefore, the woordes, that M. Hardinge hath hereunto added, Christe is offered vp vnto his Father, and that vnder the Formes of Breade, and VVine, yea and that truely, and in deede, are his owne onely woordes, confidently, and boldely presumed of him selfe, neuer vsed, neither by S. Augustine, nor by any other Ancient godly Father.
But, where as he addeth further, That Christ is in deed, and verily offered by the Priest, all be it, as he saith, not in respect of the manner of offering, but only in respect of the presence of his Body, Either he understandeth not, what him self meaneth: or else with a vain distinction of cloudy words without sense, he laboureth to das•e his Readers eyes. For what a fantasy is this, to say, Christ is offered Verily, and in deed, and yet not in Respect of the Manner of offering? What Respect? What Manner is this? Wherefore come these blind Mysteries abroad without a gloss? Which of all the Old Doctors, or holy Fathers ever taught us thus to speak? Certainly, as he saith, Christ is Really offered, and yet not in Respect of the Manner of Offering: So may he also say, Christ died upon the Cross, and yet not in Respect of the manner of dying. By such Manners, & such Respects he may make of Christian Religion, what him listeth.
But, where as he addeth further, That Christe is in deede, and verily offered by the Priest, al be it, as he saith, not in respecte of the manner of offeringe, but onely in respecte of the presence of his Bodie, Either he vnderstandeth not, what him selfe meaneth: or els with a vaine distinction of clowdie woordes without sense, he laboureth to dase his Readers eies. For what a fantasie is this, to saie, Christe is offered Uerily, and in deede, and yet not in Respecte of the Manner of offeringe? What Respecte? What Manner is this? Wherefore comme these blinde Mysteries abroade without a glose? Whiche of al the Olde Doctours, or holy Fathers euer taught vs thus to speake? Certainely, as he saithe, Christe is Really offered, and yet not in Respecte of the Manner of Offeringe: So maie he also saie, Christe died vpon the Crosse, and yet not in Respecte of the manner of dieinge. By suche Manners, & suche Respectes he maie make of Christian Religion, what him listeth.