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A reply unto M. Hardinges answerA replie vnto M. Hardinges ansvveare
A reply unto M. Hardinges answer by perusing whereof the discrete, and diligent reader may easily see, the weak, and unstable grounds of the Romaine religion, which of late hath been accounted Catholic. By John Jewel Bishop of Salisbury.A replie vnto M. Hardinges ansvveare by perusinge whereof the discrete, and diligent reader may easily see, the weake, and vnstable groundes of the Romaine religion, whiche of late hath beene accompted Catholique. By Iohn Iewel Bishoppe of Sarisburie.
Imprinted at London : In Fleetestreate, at the sign of the Black Oliphant, by Henry Wykes, Anno. 1565Imprinted at London : In Fleetestreate, at the signe of the Blacke Oliphante, by Henry VVykes, Anno. 1565
Article 2 › The B. of Salisbury.Article 2 › The B. of Sarisburie.
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The Gospellers, whom M. Harding so often upbraideth with that name, as if he him self had no part in God's Gospel, have little need to avoid that thing, whereby they see them selves nothing hindered. For the question is moved of the whole Congregation: answer is made of several persons. We speak of the order of Churches: M. Harding answereth of forests and wilderness. Verily if ⟨p. 138⟩he could find any thing to purpose in the Church, he would not thus hunt the Mountains: neither would he flee for aid into Egypt, if he could find any near at home.
The Gospellers, whome M. Hardinge so often vpbraideth with that name, as if he him self had no parte in Goddes Gospel, haue litle neede to auoide that thing, whereby they sée them selues nothinge hindred. For the question is moued of the whole Congregation: answeare is made of seueral personnes. Wee speake of the order of Churches: M. Hardinge answeareth of forestes and wildernesse. Uerely if ⟨p. 138⟩he coulde finde any thing to purpose in the Churche, he woulde not thus hunte the Mountaines: neither woulde he flee for ayde into Egipte, if he coulde finde any neere at home.
The ground of this argument is the impossibility of keeping Wine: which M. Harding hath hitherto uttered by the name of Form: Now that it is come to souring, he calleth it wine. There is conning in shifting of terms. But if there be no Wine there remaining, as these men would persuade the world, what shall we call it then, that thus standeth in danger of souring? Certainly, Christs blood will not sower: and Forms of Wine without substance cannot sower: either of these both can as well abide the hot country, as the cold. But Gelasius saith, There remaineth in the Sacraments the Nature and Substance of Bread and Wine.
The grounde of this argument is the impossibilitie of keepinge Wine: whiche M. Hardinge hath hitherto vttered by the name of Forme: Now that it is come to sowringe, he calleth it wine. There is conninge in shiftinge of termes. But if there be no Wine there remaininge, as these men woulde perswade the worlde, what shal we cal it then, that thus standeth in danger of soweringe? Certainely, Christes bloude wil not sower: and Formes of Wine without substance cannot sower: either of these bothe can as wel abide the hote countrie, as the colde. But Gelasius saithe, There remaineth in the Sacramentes the Nature and Substance of Breade and Wine.