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The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
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I replied, that since the Cardinals did choose them, there have been as monstrous of them as were before, and that have come in as unlawfully. For proof hereof I named Boniface the eighth, John the three and twentieth, and Alexander the sixth: who were Popes then when the election by Cardinals was grown to the perfectest, the first a thirteen hundred, the next a fourteen hundred, the last a fifteen hundred years after Christ. That these were monstrous, their whole lives do show: that they came in unlawfully, their entrances. That they were as monstrous, and came in as unlawfully, as the fifty Popes: I will not prove, unless you force me; for comparisons are odious. And here I must add, least I be accused as partial to the Emperors, that although I clear them from intruding those Popes, yet I clear them not from all fault therein. For it was a fault in them, that they suffered such villains to enjoy the room: as it is well noted by kyour own historian, who saith, that great licentiousness did bring forth those monsters, 1no Prince then repressing the wicked deeds of men. Of the which fault the later Emperors also (I speak it with reverence, as of Princes, not of Tyrants,) have been, and do continue guilty. But to conclude the point, ⟨p. 344⟩if he be a thief & a robber, who entereth in unlawfully into the sheepfold; then many of your Popes have been thieves and robbers. Yet take I not advantage of that which you have said about the fifty Popes. For so, not only they, but all the rest might prove thieves.
I replied, that since the Cardinals did choose them, there haue béene as monstrous of them as were before, and that haue come in as vnlawfully. For proofe hereof I named Boniface the eighth, Iohn the three and twentéeth, and Alexander the sixth: who were Popes then when the election by Cardinals was growne to the perfitest, the first a thirtéene hundred, the next a fouretéene hundred, the last a fiftéene hundred yeares after Christ. That these were monstrous, their whole liues do shew: that they came in vnlawfully, their entrances. That they were as monstrous, and came in as vnlawfully, as the fiftie Popes: I will not proue, vnlesse you force me; for comparisons are odious. And here I must adde, least I be accused as partial to the Emperors, that although I cléere them from intruding those Popes, yet I cléere them not from all fault therein. For it was a fault in them, that they suffered such vilaines to enioy the roome: as it is well noted by