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The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
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Rainoldes. Were they so? What mean you then to indict them of so great a crime? Where was your Genebrards wit, when he wrote of the fifty Popes? For if they did enter in 2not by the door, but by a postern gate, because when they were chosen they would not take the Popedom until the Emperor had confirmed them: how may the Saints, as mGregory namely, be excused, who entered in the same way? And if these were thieves, because they entered in by the Emperors consent: what were their predecessors, nwho entered in by the peoples? For the Emperor Frederick had reason when ohe said, that *himself, as king, ought to be chief in choosing the Bishop of his own city. Wherefore if the people had voices in the choice of him: why not the German Emperor? pwho then was king of Rome, though now the Pope be. And if they were thieves too, because the people chose them, and not the clergy only: what have the Popes been these four hundred years, 7whom neither the Emperor, nor people, nor clergy, but only a few Cardinals have chosen? See you not how all the Popes are brought in danger by you, to be thieves? But (as I said) I mean not to take this advantage. It sufficeth me, first, that many of them purchased the Popedom with bribery and corruption, as I have showed by their stories: next, that all such purchasers are (by their own law) rnot Apostolical, but Apostatical, that is to say, revolters from the faith of Christ, not successors of the Apostles. For hereof it followeth that many, not only Antipopes, but Popes, and they elected, not intruded, have been thieves and robbers, by your own definition. Wherefore, not all Popes are pastors, or hirelings. And so the demonstration by which you promised to prove out of the scripture, that Popes cannot err in doctrine, is fallen.