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The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
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Hart. But as D. sStapleton doth define a thief out of S. Cyprian's words: no Pope can be a thief. For he is a thief, who succeeding no man, is ordained of himself. Now, it is manifest that the Popes, all, both have succeeded others, and were ordained by others. Yet, though some of them were thieves, and robbers, in D. Genebrards sense: they could not err in doctrine. Such is the force of succession.
Hart. But as D. sStapleton doth define a theefe out of S. Cyprians wordes: no Pope can be a theefe. For he is a theefe, who succeeding no man, is ordeined of himselfe. Now, it is manifest that the Popes, all, both haue succéeded others, and were ordeined by others. Yet, though some of them were theeues, and robbers, in D. Genebrards sense: they could not erre in doctrine. Such is the force of succession.
- sPrincip. doctr. lib. 5. cap. •.
Rainoldes. Why? Is the force, I say not of succession, but of lawful succession, such, that they, who have it, can not err in doctrine? May not true Bishops and pastors teach heresy, as 1Arius, 2Nestorius, and 3Samosatenus did?
Rainoldes. Why? Is the force, I say not of succession, but of lawfull succession, such, that they, who haue it, can not erre in doctrine? May not true Bishops and pastors teach heresie, as 1