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The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
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Rainoldes. No. But, as doctors, some are good, some are naught; and sith that both these qualities are incident into doctors, a doctor should not be defined by either of them: so thieves, some succeed, some do not succeed; and sith that both these qualities are incident into thieves, no one of them can open the nature of a thief, nor both in deed pithily. Wherefore to say in defining a thief, that he succeedeth no man: it is a juggling feat, which converteth accidents into the shape of substance, and maketh essence of a quality. A feat that is used much by D. Stapleton, & doth amaze the simple who see not the sleight: where they who discern the conveyance of it, esteem it as a feat of sophistry. But the third feat, is a feat of folly. For when he had made four kinds of teachers, the first, pastors; the next, hirelings; the third, thieves; the last, wolves; and granted that they all are called to that office by lawful succession, excepting thieves only: he divideth hirelings into two sorts; and having proved that both of them do teach the truth, concludeth thereupon, that an undoubted certainty of doctrine and faith is knit to succession. Then the which what kind of legerdemain can be more fond? to say in the conclusion, that they who by lawful succession are teachers, do surely teach the truth, because that hirelings do, and pastors: when he had showed before that not only they do succeed lawfully, but also wolves, who teach errors.
Rainoldes. No. But, as doctours, some are good, some are naught; and sith that both these qualities are incident into doctours, a doctour should not be defined by eyther of them: so theeues, some succéede, some doo not succéede; and sith that both these qualities are incident into theeues, no one of them can open the nature of a theefe, nor both in déed pithily. Wherefore to say in defining a theefe, that he succeedeth no man: it is a iuggling feate, which conuerteth accidents into the shape of substance, and maketh essence of a qualitie. A feate that is vsed much by D. Stapleton, & doth amaze the simple who sée not the sleight: where they who discerne the conueiance of it, estéeme it as a feat of sophistrie. But the third feate, is a feate of foly. For when he had made foure kindes of teachers, the first, pastors; the next, hirelings; the third, theeues; the last, woolues; and graunted that they all are called to that office by lawfull succession, excepting theeues onely: he diuideth hirelings into two sortes; and hauing proued that both of them do teach the truth, concludeth therupon, that an vndouted certaintie of doctrine and faith is knit to succession. Then the which what kinde of legierdemaine can be more fond? to say in the conclusion, that they who by lawfull succession are teachers, doo surely teach the truth, because that hirelings doo, and pastours: when he had shewed before that not onely they doo succéed lawfully, but also woolues, who teach errours.