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The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
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Rainoldes. Then is not trueth of doctrine knit necessarily to succession it self: no not though it be lawful and Apostolic succession.
Rainoldes. Then is not trueth of doctrine knit necessarily to succession it selfe: no not though it bee lawfull and Apostolike succession.
Hart. I grant: but with unity.
Hart. I graunt: but with vnitie.
Rainoldes. Then is there much vanity in Stapletons discourses, and in his vaunt more vanity, that xin spite of heretics a sure undoubted certainty of doctrine and faith is knit *to the very succession of the Apostles, to the succession it self. And you, by retaining this unity with Stapleton, have razed to the ground that prerogative of the Pope, whereon you builded his supremacy. For if unity with succession have undoubted certainty of doctrine and faith: all Pastors keeping unity are as free from error in doctrine, as the Pope is. And so if not to err in doctrine be a privilege & proof of the supremacy: all Pastors have as high supremacy by this unity, as the Pope hath. The Pope, I can tell you, will not like this unity. How much the more wisely (me thought) you dealt *before, when, laying the foundation of the prerogative Papal, you removed this unity out of the chair, that His unity might sit in it. For whereas S. Austin saith, that God hath set the doctrine of truth in the chair of unity, meaning of all pastors and teachers of the Church which held the faith with concord against the sect and schism of Donatists: you applied that saying to the chair of the Pope, displacing altogether both unity and other pastors. Wherein though you forsook the steps of D.