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The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
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Rainoldes. The matter is so great, that the track thereof will find us out that, which by this distinction you seek to steal away. For you say that the Pope cannot err in office, though he may in person. And why? Because, although his person be wicked: yet in the seat hath God set the doctrine of truth, as S. Austin saith. But as S. Austin saith it, all Bishops, be they good or evil, pastors or hirelings, do sit in that seat. So that none of them can err in office neither, by consequence of your reason. Wherefore if the Pope cannot err, as Pope: a Bishop cannot err, as Bishop. But you will not say (I think) that a Bishop cannot err, as Bishop. Therefore you must yield, that the Pope may err, as Pope.
Rainoldes. The matter is so great, that the tracke thereof will find vs out that, which by this distinction you séeke to steale away. For you say that the Pope cannot erre in office, though he may in person. And why? Because, although his person be wicked: yet in the seate hath God set the doctrine of truth, as S. Austin saith. But as S. Austin saith it, all Bishops, be they good or euill, pastors or hirelinges, doo sit in that seat. So that none of them can erre in office neither, by consequence of your reason. Wherefore if the Pope cannot erre, as Pope: a Bishop cannot erre, as Bishop. But you will not say (I thinke) that a Bishop cannot erre, as Bishop. Therefore you must yéeld, that the Pope may erre, as Pope.
Hart. What if I said that a Bishop can not err, as Bishop? I could maintain it after a sort.
Hart. What if I said that a Bishop can not erre, as Bishop? I could maintaine it after a sort.
Rainoldes. I doubt not of that. But you should mar the Popes privilege: which if you do-