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The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
Modern spelling is a reading aid: the words are the author’s, only the spelling is modernized. Original shows the page as printed, with the transcription marks.
Hart. And this I grant too.
Hart. And this I graunt too.
Rainoldes. How can you deny then, but the Pope may justly be said to err as Pope, when he erreth in a point of the Popes duty? And sith a point thereof, is, to divide the word of truth aright, belonging to him, as to all Bishops, by the chair & seat, that is, the office of teaching, wherein God hath set them: the Pope is not privileged by virtue of the chair from erring as Pope, more then all Bishops are privileged as Bishops. That, if an other Bishop may err notwithstanding as Bishop, which you grant: you must needs grant the Pope may also err as Pope. Yea, though all Popes were pastors or hirelings, and none of them thieves: yet might they err as Popes too. For S. Austin and S. Cyprian erred, as Bishops. Yet they were pastors both.
Rainoldes. How can you deny then, but the Pope may iustly be saide to erre as Pope, when he erreth in a point of ye Popes duty? And sith a point thereof, is, to diuide the word of truth aright, belonging to him, as to all Bishops, by the chaire & seate, that is, the office of teaching, wherin God hath set them: the Pope is not priuileged by vertue of the chaire from erring as Pope, more then all Bishops are priuileged as Bishops. That, if an other Bishop may erre notwithstanding as Bishop, which you graunt: you must néedes graunt the Pope may also erre as Pope. Yea, though all Popes were pastors or hirelinges, and none of them theeues: yet might they erre as Popes too. For S. Austin and S. Cyprian erred, as Bishops. Yet they were pastors both.
Hart. Nay, the Pope certainly can not err as Pope, that is to say, in office: though he may in person, as Pope Honorius did.