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The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
Modern spelling is a reading aid: the words are the author’s, only the spelling is modernized. Original shows the page as printed, with the transcription marks.
Hart. It is a disputable point. You see that learned men are of sundry judgements in expounding of it: some thinking, it betokeneth a stone, some a rock. Wherefore you can not force me to take the one and leave the other.
Hart. It is a disputable point. You sée that learned men are of sundrie iudgements in expounding of it: some thinking, it betokeneth a stone, some a rocke. Wherefore you can not force me to take the one and leaue the other.
Rainoldes. Not by mens words: but by the word of God I can. For Christ in the Syriac tongue did name him Cephas, and eCephas in the Greek is expounded [Greek or Hebrew], and [Greek or Hebrew] in English signifieth a stone. And sure you had done better, if, as the Greek text hath [Greek or Hebrew] and [Greek or Hebrew], the Syriac translation Cephas & Cephas: so you had made it in English, stone and stone. For Peter and peter doth not express the force of the Syriac word. Rock and rock is strong, but the text doth not bear it. Stone and stone is fit, had you not thought it too slender. Now, sith you do press the Syriac translation, to show thereby the meaning of the Latin, as you say: you must give me leave to tell you that the words should be rather Englished after the Syriac thus, Thou art stone, and upon this stone will I build my church.
Rainoldes. Not by mens wordes: but by the word of God I can. For Christ in the Syriake toong did name him Cephas, and eCephas in the Gréeke is expounded 〈non-Latin alphabet〉, and 〈non-Latin alphabet〉 in English signifieth a stone. And sure you had done better, if, as the Gréeke text hath 〈non-Latin alphabet〉 and 〈non-Latin alphabet〉, the Syriake translation Cephas & Cephas: so you had made it in English, stone and stone. For Peter and peter doth not expresse the force of the Syriake word. Rocke and rocke is strong, but the text doth not beare it. Stone and stone is fit, had you not thought it too slender. Now, sith you doo presse the Syriake translation, to shew thereby the meaning of the Latin, as you say: you must giue me leaue to tell you that the wordes should be rather Englished after the Syriake thus, Thou art stone, and vpon this stone will I build my church.