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The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
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Rainoldes. That is a greater proof, that the Popes use not commonly to preach. For Surius doth likewise note of him also, that he suffered fewer Courtesans in Rome, and them in streets less famous: because they dwelt before 1in the hie streets & gorgeous houses in great number. And peradventure Surius who praiseth Pius for his preaching, made the most of it. Pope Pius was alive, when Friar Surius praised him. Moreover Surius reckoneth this amongst his praises, that in a procession he was not carried on mens shoulders (as Popes are wont to be) but 2he went a foot to the great edifying of the people. Small preaching of the Pope may be praised as great: when his going a foot shall edify the people so. Neither yet doth Surius report of his preaching more then to the clergy. Of sermons to the people he giveth him this praise, that he vouchsafed them of his presence at solemn times. Belike he did edify the people enough with going a foot. But if Pope Pius had preached to the people as well as to the clergy: one swallow makes not summer; his preaching had not done his duty. M. Pacie, Secretary to king Henry the eighth, and his Ambassador in Italy, ⟨p. 362⟩(a man who saw farther into the state of Popes, then Surius) doth write nthat Pope Julius the second was requested to make one Giles, (a learned Friar,) Cardinal. To the which intent when it was alleged that the man had learning & preached diligently: nay marry, quoth the Pope, that is the only reason, why I can not make him Cardinal with safe conscience, that he may preach the word of God the better still, which he might not if he were Cardinal. For that is very far from the dignity and custom of Cardinals, (saith Pacie,) and therefore Pope Julius, as he was a Pastor most careful of the flock, would not agree to that request. Now, if it be so strange for Cardinals to preach: what think you of the Popes them selves, who are more occupied with affairs of state, and may less attend so base things as preaching? As the example showeth of the same Julius. Who bending all his powers (o as soon as he had bought the Popedom)