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The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
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Rainoldes. O: by others. I understand it. You mean as Pope Julius, though he were in the camp, and warred by him self: yet he was in the pulpit, and preached by Friar Giles. And when Pope Leo the tenth (next after Julius) made hFriar Giles Cardinal, that he might hold his peace: then other Friars stepped up in his room, and Pope Leo preached by them in like sort, while iby himself he played the wanton. But Christ when he commanded Peter to feed his sheep: meant not that he should take his Princely sports and pleasures in *Belvedere by him self, and preach the word of God by others. If you think the Pope may be discharged so for this point of a Bishops duty: it was an oversight that you forgot it in the former. For you might say as well, that if he be not resident by him self, he may by others: and if he live not godly by him self, he may by others. And thus, although the Pope be damned by himself: yet with your distinction he may be saved also. He may be saved by others.
Rainoldes. O: by others. I vnderstand it. You meane as Pope Iulius, though he were in the campe, and warred by him selfe: yet he was in the pulpit, and preached by Frier Giles. And when Pope Leo the tenth (next after Iulius) made hFrier Giles Cardinall, that he might hold his peace: then other Friers stepped vp in his roome, and Pope Leo preached by them in like sorte, while iby himselfe he played the wanton. But Christ when he commanded Peter to feede his sheepe: meant not that he should take his Princely sportes and pleasures in *Belvedere by him selfe, and preach the worde of God by others. If you thinke the Pope may be discharged so for this point of a Bishops dutie: it was an ouersight that you forgot it in the former. For you might say as well, that if he be not resident by him selfe, he may by others: and if he liue not godly by him selfe, he may by others. And thus, although the Pope be damned by himselfe: yet with your distinction he may be saued also. He may be saued by others.