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The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
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Hart. In deed they have warred, I grant, in time of need: and why should they not? Though I will not defend ambition in any of them. But this I will defend that they might lawfully provide for the maintenance of their state temporal. For what saith S. Paul? pIf any man have not care of his own, ⟨p. 370⟩and specially of his domesticals: he hath denied the faith, and is worse then an infidel. Wherefore you must consider that the Pope sustaineth a double person as it were: the one of a Prince, the other of a Bishop. As a Prince, he governeth his temporal dominion: as a Bishop, his spiritual. His spiritual charge is all the church of Christ: his temporal, a part of it. And so, though both of them concern after a sort the state of the Church: yet his affairs spiritual, which stretch through all Christendom, do differ from his temporal, which touch the Church of Rome chiefly. For example, qLeo the ninth, a very good Pope, above five hundred years since, when the Normans spoiled the land of the Church and he had cursed them for it, but could not conquer them by curses: he got of the Emperor a strong band of soldiers, whom he lead in person himself against the varlets, and met them in the field manfully. At the same time Michael the Patriarch of Constantinople denied the supremacy of the Church of Rome, and claimed it to his own See. Whereof when Pope Leo heard, he sent three legates to Constantinople, to root out that heresy. Now the former of these things he did as Prince, against the Normans, who set upon his temporal dominion with arms: the later, as Bishop, against the Patriarch, who taught heresy, a point of his spiritual charge. Affairs of this later sort let me name (for difference sake) the Church-affairs; the former, the affairs of state. And so it shall appear, what injury you do them, whom spitefully you call Herodes. For you say that the affairs which they are busied about, are their affairs of state. Whereas in very truth the affairs of the Church do busy them a great deal more: to see that the Catholic religion be taught, that errors be suppressed; to provide dioceses of good and learned Bishops, and parishes of able pastors: to hear appeals, determine causes, receive supplications, excommunicate the wicked, absolve the repentant: to do the whole function of supreme heads of the Church.