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The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
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Hart, (if the bogs of Popery have not quenched all sparkles of conscience, and judgement in you,) whether that the Pope hath not erred in office, and changed his Bishops See into a Princes Court, and usurped the power of imperial State through shows of Church-government: by rebelling against the Emperor, and wresting his dominions from him; by for•ing kings, and nations to serve him, as vassals; by robbing peoples of their pastors, pastors of their livings, the rude of instruction, the loose of correction, the distressed of comfort, the poor of relief and (to conclude) the Christian Church of doctrine, discipline, and hospitality. ⟨p. 395⟩John Rainoldes to the Christian reader. When I sent this part of our conference to M. Hart, that, if any thing in his own speeches were not to his mind, he might add, or alter, as he thought good: I penned not his answer to my former speech, but wrote these words under it. I pray, M. Hart, make and pen your own answer to this last speech of mine. If you can justify the Pope in those things which I have laid unto his charge: I will subscribe to all Popery. If you cannot: acknowledge his supremacy to be unlawful. John Rainoldes. To this request, & offer, M. Hart sent me his answer in writing. Which I have set down (here following) word for word, and so have proceeded on in our conference, as he desired me to do. If you speak unfeignedly, M. Rainoldes, as I trust you do:1 I must love you the better for your plain dealing in so weighty a matter. That you do not see how the Pope may be justified, (I speak not of his naughty and corrupt manners, but of his supreme and sovereign authority, which is, as I take it, agreeable to the Scripture, and Christs own appointment:) it seemeth to me that your error herein proceedeth of a wrong persuasion, that he had not that authority by right, but usurped it. Which is not so: as I have already showed in part, and now will prove unto you farther. For it is so far off from being usurped authority, that if we will weigh things but with indifferency and in equal balance, you shall well perceive that both Emperors, and other Princes adjoining unto him, have rather usurped of his, then he of theirs. In so much that a good author doth write that through the Popes negligent looking unto ⟨p. 396⟩it, S. Peters patrimony is greatly diminished.