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The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
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Rainoldes. If you love me the better, M. Hart, for my plain dealing in so weighty a matter, as you say you must: I would to God you would deal as plainly with me, that I might in like sort love you the better too. But neither do you yield to that which I have proved by evidence of truth: and although you cannot disprove my proofs of it, yet you seek to shift them off by fraud and falsehood. For whereas I showed that the Pope pretending discharge of his office in government of the Church, hath gotten his temporal dominion from Emperors by treason, and rebellion; and practised unlawful power in things spiritual to the oppressing of Christendom; and therefore ⟨p. 398⟩erred in office, yea, in the supremacy which he hath usurped over both the states spiritual and temporal: you, for the first point of his dominion temporal, do go about to clear him by sophisms, and lies; for the next of his tyranny in spiritual things, you smooth it, as a lawful authority abused; for the last of his erring in office, you abridge it to judgement and definitive sentence; and wrap his supremacy up in general words as allowed by all men, when in the particular points of the supremacy you can not justify it by any. aFestus the Roman thought Paul to be mad: the madness was in Festus him self, no• in Paul. You think that I err of a wrong persuasion: the error is your own, not mine, M. Hart. The faults of your dealing for the maintaining of your error, I will set before you: if perhaps the Lord will open your eyes, and untie your tongue, that you may at length perceive and confess the Popes supremacy to be unlawful. To begin therefore with the first point wherein you seek to clear him from having usurped his temporal dominion▪ you say, that if we weigh things with indifferency, and in equal balance, I shall well perceive that both Emperors and other Princes adjoining unto him have rather usurped of his, then he of theirs. Which, if you took not things at hucksters hands without all weighing of them, you would never say. For, that which I have laid in one scale of the balance, is the manifest truth of records, & evidences, approved by the witness of writers very credible, who note the times, the persons, the means, and all circumstances how the Pope usurped.
Rainoldes. If you loue me the better, M. Hart, for my plaine dealing in so weightie a matter, as you say you must: I would to God you would deale as plainely with me, that I might in like sort loue you the better too. But neither doo you yéelde to that which I haue proued by euidence of truh: and although you cannot disproue my proofes of it, yet you seeke to shift them off by fraude and falsehood. For whereas I shewed that the Pope pretending discharge of his office in gouernment of the Church, hath gotten his temporall dominion from Emperours by treson, and rebellion; and practised vnlawull power in thinges spirituall to the oppressing of Christendome; and therefore