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The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
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Rainoldes. I say that you were abused by 1Genebrard, on whose word and credit you took that of Clemangis as making for this purpose, to which it cometh nothing nigh. For, yit is little above nine score years since that was written by Clemangis. And what if the temporal dominion of the Popes (called S. Peters patrimony) were diminished then by the successors negligence? Might not the predecessors therefore have usurped it of the Emperors long before that time? How much more probably might I allege Clemangis for proof of the contrary: in as much zas he saith, that the church 1usurped many things belonging of right to the Empire? But because I love not to build so strong conclusions upon so weak premisses: it sufficeth me that the good author, on whom you build yours, dischargeth not the Popes from having got their temporal dominion by treason. For, it followeth not that none of them were traitors eight hundred years ago, because before these ninescore years some were negligent: no more, then that the father was not an usurer, because the son is a bankrupt. Wherefore, the weightiest parcel of that which you lay in for the Popes patrimony, is as light as a feather. The next, is somewhat lighter. For you say, that perhaps it is much lesser now at this time, then it was in the very best times almost thirteen hundred years since: perhaps, it is much lesser. Now, without perhaps, you presume much of some want in us, if you think that a doubtful and uncertain guess may win us from a certain and undoubted truth.
Rainoldes. I say that you were abused by 1Genebrard, on whose worde and credit you tooke that of Clemangis as making for this purpose, to which it cometh nothing nigh. For, yit is litle aboue nine score yeares since that was writen by Clemangis. And what if the temporall dominion of the Popes (called S. Peters patrimony) were diminished then by the successours negligence? Might not the predecessours therefore haue vsurped it of ye Emperours long before that time? How much more probably might I alleage Clemangis for proofe of the contrarie: in as much