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The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
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Hart. So you must do, if you will deal with my argument. For the majesty of the Church of Rome is much advanced by the name of the rock: and in my judgement the Fathers meant no less when they applied the words of Christ to that See.
Hart. So you must doo, if you will deale with my argument. For the maiestie of the Church of Rome is much aduanced by the name of the rocke: and in my iudgement the Fathers meant no lesse when they applyed ye words of Christ to that Sée.
Rainoldes. The Fathers used those words to advance the majesty of the Church of Rome: but neither to advance the church of Rome alone, neither to import the Popes supremacy by that majesty. And this may be gathered plainly by S. eCyprian, who although he give a fspecial ti•le of honour & preeminence to the Church of Rome: yet doth he apply that of the rock ⟨p. 431⟩to the Church in general. For he affirmeth that our Lord took order for the office of a Bishop and the state of his Church by saying unto Peter, Thou art Peter, and on this rock will I build my Church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it: and, to thee will I give the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. Thence by course of times, and successions, there floweth 1the ordaining of Bishops and 2the state of the Church: that 3upon the Bishops the Church should be set, and every action of the Church should be governed and guided by the same rulers. In the which words S. Cyprian (you see) accounteth all Bishops the rock of the Church. That as by the church built upon the rock, the whole Church is meant, and not the Church of Rome, or of Carthage only: so neither the Bishop of Rome, nor of Carthage, may be represented alone by the rock, and yet as well the Bishop of Carthage as of Rome.