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The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
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Hart. Why may I not conclude it?
Rainoldes. If you list: but the feast of S. Peters chair would prove it more gallantly. For if the testimonies, which you allege, of Jerome and Austin, be examined: they say nothing for it. S. Jerome abiding (in his young years) among the Arian heretics in the coasts of Syria, was required by their Bishop to allow and approve a profession of faith touching the Trinity, wherein he suspected there lay some privy poison hidden. Wherefore least he should yield thereunto rashly, he sought to be directed by the advise and counsel of Damasus Bishop of Rome: as whom both he acknowledged to be his own Bishop, and knew to be a Bishop that held the catholic faith; which praise by that title of the rock he giveth him. In Africa, they were troubled with other heretics named Donatists: a sect which despised the communion of Saints, and rent them selves a sunder from the assemblies of Christians, because there were some evil men amongst them (as they said) whose fellowship defiled them. S. Austin wrote a Psalm for the Catholics against these: wherein, having proved first out of the scriptures, that we must not leave the communion of the Church for that there are some evil men in it, sith Christ hath declared that there should be so, as tares with corn, in the field; as chaff with wheat in the floor; as bad with good, in the nett; he confirmeth this doctrine by the consent & judgement of the Church of Rome, whose Bishops even from Peter had embraced it still, and constantly maintained it, the gates of hell in vain assaulting them. So the words of Austin and Jerome do import a sincerity of faith in the Church of Rome & the Roman Bishops against the Arians and Donatists: but neither of their words import the supremacy, which is a sovereignty of power.
Rainoldes. If you list: but the feast of S. Peters chaire would proue it more galantly. For if the testimonies, which you alleage, of Ierom and Austin, be examined: they say nothing for it. S. Ierom abiding (in his young yeares) among the Arian heretikes in the coastes of Syria, was required by their Bishop to allow and approue a profession of faith touching the Trinitie, wherein he suspected there lay some priuy poyson hidden. Wherefore least he should yéelde thereunto rashly, he sought to be directed by the aduise and counsell of Damasus Bishop of Rome: as whom both hee acknowledged to bee his owne Bihop, and knew to be a Bishop that helde the catholike faith; which praise by that title of the rocke he giueth him. In Afrike, they were troubled with other heretikes named Donatistes: a sect which despised the communion of Saintes, and rent them selues a sunder from the assemblies of Christians, because there were some euil men amongst them (as they said) whose felowship defiled them. S. Austin wrote a Psalme for the Catholiks against these: wherein, hauing proued first out of the scriptures, that we must not leaue the communion of the Church for that there are some euill men in it, sith Christ hath declared that there should be so, as tares with corne, in the field; as chaffe with wheate in the floore; as badde with good, in the nett; he confirmeth this doctrine by the consent & iudgement of the Church of Rome, whose Bishops euen from Peter had imbraced it still, and constantly maintained it, the gates of hel in vaine assaulting them. So the wordes of Austin and Ierom doo import a sinceritie of faith in the Church of Rome & the Roman Bishops against the Arians and Donatistes: but neither of their wordes import the supremacie, which is a soueraintie of power.