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The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
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Rainoldes. Did prevail against it in the time of Austin: so you should conclude. You have a pretty policy in citing the testimonies and sayings of the Fathers touching the Church of Rome: that what they did speak of the time present then, you use it as spoken of the time present now. There was a gentlewoman in Rome, named Fabia: dwho being waxed old, yet willing still to seem young, said, in Tullies hearing, that she was thirty years of age. That must needs be true, quoth Tully; for I have heard it of you twenty years ago. The Church of Rome hath defiled her self with idolatry, & gone a whoring from the Lord: yet she would seem a maid still, and so she saith her self to be. I think you jest not with her, as Tully did with Fabia: yet you prove her maidenhead, as Tully did the youth of Fabia. You say that it must needs be true: for it is written of her twelve hundred years ago. But that you may see how small cause you have to build so much on those words, The gates of hell prevail not against the succession of the Bishops of Rome: consider what is meant by the gates of hell, and your grant is past, that against some Bishops of Rome they have prevailed. The state of the faithful and chosen of God in this present life, is as it were ea warfare: whereof the Church is called militant. The adversaries and enemies whom we must fight against, our Saviour speaketh of them as of a strong kingdom, which he calleth hell, because it warreth all for hell, and fthe devil is prince of it. The gates of hell therefore do signify the gholds, the fortresses and munitions, wherewith the powers of hell do fight against us and assault us: that is, even whatsoever the devil can do by force or fraud. All the which is meant by the name of gates, because the gates of fortes are wont to have the best munition, and to be fenced most strongly. So the gates of hell are not only heresies, (though heresies are of them, as hEpiphanius, and i