A10345:1571
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
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Rainoldes. Yes. But that which you apply to the last sort, that they are unfit to witn•••• •o their own matter: I mean ⟨p. 509⟩it of the second too. And if I thought that the first (which seem to have been counterfeited in the days of the third) had been counterfeited and coined by some ambitious Pope himself: I would use the same exception to them also. But in very truth I am not of opinion that any Pope himself did coin them. It was some cook rather or horse-keeper of the Popes: if I can guess ought by the style and Latin.
Rainoldes. Yes. But that which you apply to the last sort, that they are vnfit to witn•••• •o their owne matter: I meane ⟨p. 509⟩it of the second too. And if I thought that the first (which séeme to haue beene counterfeited in the dayes of the third) had beene counterfeited and coined by some ambitious Pope himselfe: I would vse the same exception to them also. But in very truth I am not of opinion that any Pope himselfe did coine them. It was some cooke rather or horse-keeper of the Popes: if I can gesse ought by the style and Latin.
Hart. I perceive that all which you have to say against the writings of the first sort, is that, which your xCenturies of Magdeburg have said. For this is their reason and they stand much upon it, that the style is bad, and the Latin barbarous. Which disproof is foolish and of no force: as Father yTurrian showeth in his defence of the canons of the Apostles and of those epistles of the Popes, against the Centuries. For in style and Latin they might speak rudely, both to the intent that in things pertaining to the salvation of all even the simplest might understand them: and least they should seem by choice of words to hunt for praise and vain glory. Yea, whereas the Centuries, in this point of style, do note the likeness of it too, as if that were a special mark to prove them counterfeit: therein they have betrayed most notorious folly. For the style is wont to be a certain token of the right author (chiefly in some mens writings,) whereby we use often to try and discern a true book from a forged; as learned men have done in Austin, Jerome, Ambrose, Cyprian, Tertullian, and others. But herein the trial is the unlikeness of the style, between an authors own work and a bastard fathered on him. Which trial can not be had in those epistles of the Popes, that are denied by the Centuries: because we have nothing written by those Popes, but only those epistles. Now see the blindness of heretics. When they can not disprove them by unlikeness of style, they say that the likeness of the style disproveth them: which is most ridiculous-