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The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
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Hart. Nay, it doth not well agree to his purpose, unless he ⟨p. 521⟩did cite it so.
Hart. Nay, it doth not well agrée to his purpose, vnlesse he ⟨p. 521⟩did cite it so.
Rainoldes. Whether it do, or no: it is plain that the author meant not so to cite it. For in the same epistle he saith that Priests and Bishops (to whom he applieth it) are called the eyes of the Lord. Which sith he saith on those words, He that toucheth you, toucheth the apple of mine eye: it seemeth that he meant [eye] not of his eye who toucheth, but of Gods. Neither had he meant otherwise if he had cited the words after the Greek translation, and not Jeromes. For though it be in Greek, He that toucheth you, toucheth the apple of his eye, (as it is in Hebrew, and in the tbest copies of Jeromes Latin too:) yet the word [his, [Greek or Hebrew]] is referred to [the Lord of hosts] whose care of his people the Prophet noteth by that speech, in like sort as uMoses had also done before him. Wherefore if it agree not well in that sense to the purpose and drift of the Popes epistle, in which it is alleged, as Turrian saith it doth not: then himself confesseth that not all the scriptures are there alleged fitly. Which xhe cannot abide the Centuries should say. But if this answer be good and allowable, that when those epistles of the Popes were published, the texts, which could not be alleged so by them, were changed: then is it impossible to bring any reason, but you may shield them from it easily. For if there be a point of order in discipline, or doctrine in faith, or the state of times, or circumstances of persons and things whatsoever, that is disproved by writers and witnesses of that age, as there are infinite: you may say that it was not so in the epistles, but they who set them forth did alter that point. For example, in one of them which is fathered on