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The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
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Rainoldes. If our translators had been Lords of words, and might have forced men to take them in what sense they would: then had you spoken reason. For dhe, whom others folowe• in our English translations, did note that if Antichrist had not deceived us with unknown and strange terms, to bring us into confusion & superstitious blindness, a Priest, that is, a sacrificer as Aaron was a Priest and sacrificed for the people, should have had some other name in English then Priest. Which he spake in respect that the name of Priest, as it came from presbyter, betokening a Minister of the new testament, should not have been given to the Ministers of the old, who differ, as in function, so in name, by scripture. But you, in whose eyes our folly is notorious, for that we give the name of Priest to sacerdos, and take it from presbyter whereof it is derived properly: what say you (I pray) for your own translation in the fourth of the Acts, ewhere it is said of Peter and John the Apostles, that they were men unlettered and of the vulgar sort.
Rainoldes. If our translatours had béene Lords of wordes, and might haue forced men to take them in what sense they would: then had you spoken reason. For dhe, whom others folowe• in our English translations, did note that if Antichrist had not deceyued vs with vnknowne and straunge termes, to bring vs into confusion & superstitious blindenesse, a Priest, that is, a sacrificer as Aaron was a Priest and sacrificed for the people, should haue had some other name in English then Priest. Which he spake in respect that the name of Priest, as it came from presbyter, betokening a Minister of the new testament, should not haue beene giuen to the Ministers of the olde, who differ, as in function, so in name, by scripture. But you, in whose eyes our folly is notorious, for that we giue the name of Priest to sacerdos, and take it from presbyter whereof it is deriued properly: what say you (I pray) for your owne translation in the fourth of the Actes, ewhere it is saide of Peter and Iohn the Apostles, that they were men vnlettered and of the vulgar sort.