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The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
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Rainoldes. True. But you may see then how wise your Rhemists are, who charge us with notorious folly becau•e we give the name of Priest to sacerdos, and not to presbyter. For as the name of idiot, doth come from idiota, but is taken for a fool: so the name of Priest is derived from presbyter, but signifieth a sacrificer by custom of our English speech. Wherefore if your reason do prove that all Pastors of the Christian Church must be called Priests, and have authority to sacrifice; because they are presbyter•: it will prove as well that all unlearned Christians must be called idiots, and may be begged for fools, because they are idiotae. Which if you dare not say of unlearned Christians, though in very truth you deal with them as idiots when you make such reasons to approve your Mass & Massing Priests unto them: learn, by discharging your selves in the one, to clear us of notorious folly in the other. For sith in translating things (as you confess) the sense must be kept, and the sense of words is that which usually men understand by them, and by the word Priest men understand sacerdos, that is to say, a man appointed to sacrifice: it followeth thereof that ⟨p. 541⟩our translators did their duty, in giving the name of Priests to them only, to whom the Priestly function in scripture doth appropriate it. As for your Rhemists who still do translate sacerdos a Priest, as granting that we have no other English wo•d for it, and yet translate presbyter by the same word too: they do join together that which God hath severed; and the words, which the holy Ghost hath distinguished, they wittingly confound. Wherein they do lewdly abuse the simple Christians, who are unskilful in the tongues, to make them in love with the whorish sacrifice of the idolatrous Mass; and alienate their minds from the true religion professed in the Church of England. For the name of Priest, as it hath relation to sacrifice, is sacerdos: which word your iTrent-fathers do therefore use in handling the sacrifice of the Mass. Now because the name of 1sacerdos is not given to the Ministers of the gospel in the new testament: your Rhemists make