A10345:1880
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
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For in his Apology of the English Seminaries, (where he would of likelihood make the strongest proof of it, that he could, for the defence of Mass-priests, and the Mass-priests Nurseries,) che citeth not the scriptures, but the Fathers only. Which, unless he thought that the scriptures fail him, I see not why he should. Chiefly, sith he knoweth, that they, whose good liking of Mass-priests, & the Mass he seeketh specially to win by his Apology, do give greater credit to five words of God then to ten thousand words of men.
For in his Apologie of the English Seminaries, (where he would of likelihood make the strongest proofe of it, that he could, for the defense of Masse-priests, and the Masse-priests Nourseries,) che citeth not the scriptures, but the Fathers onely. Which, vnlesse hée thought that the scriptures faile him, I sée not why hee should. Chiefly, sith he knoweth, that they, whose good liking of Masse-priests, & the Masse he séeketh specially to winne by his Apologie, doo giue greater credit to fiue words of God then to ten thousand words of men.
- cThe Apology of the English Seminaries chapt. 6.The Apologie of the English Seminaries chapt. 6.
Hart. Nay, you are deceived much in D. Allen, if you think his judgement changed any whit from that it was in this point. But in his Apology he citeth the Fathers only, not the scriptures, because you have colours of spiritual sacrifices to shift the scriptures off; but you cannot the Fathers so. For they all were Mass-priests themselves, and said Mass.
Hart. Nay, you are deceued much in D. Allen, if you think his iudgement changed any whit from that it was in this point. But in his Apologie he citeth the Fathers onely, not the scriptures, because you haue colours of spiritual sacrifices to shift the scriptures off; but you cannot the Fathers so. For they all were Masse-priestes themselues, and said Masse.