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The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
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Rainoldes. It is true that questions of matters touching faith are causes of the Church: but they are not such causes as quicken the Papacy. The causes touching persons, which Zosimus, Boniface, and Caelestine did deal for, when they would have it lawful for Bishops & Elders to appeal to Rome, are those which Popes must live by. And the same Councils of Carthage ⟨p. 626⟩and Milevis, whom Innocentius wrote too, did know, and show this difference, when they desired the Popes consent in that of faith, but cforbade the causes of Bishops and Elders to come unto him by appeals. Wherefore that distinction of the Church-causes, and the Church-questions, is not a shift of sophistry to cast a mist upon the truth, but a point of truth to clear the mist of your sophistry. For yourd Jesuit citeth those texts of Innocentius to prove the Popes supremacy. Whereas he claimeth judgement, to resolve the doubts; or (that is less,) authority, to approve the doctrine; not a sovereign power to hear and determine the causes of the Church.
Rainoldes. It is true that questions of matters touching faith are causes of the Church: but they are not such causes as quicken the Papacie. The causes touching persons, which Zosimus, Boniface, and Caelestine did deale for, when they would haue it lawfull for Bishops & Elders to appeale to Rome, are those which Popes must liue by. And the same Councels of Carthage ⟨p. 626⟩and Mileuis, whom Innocentius wrote too, did know, and shew this difference, when they desired the Popes consent in that of faith, but cforbadde the causes of Bishops and Elders to come vnto him by appeales. Wherefore that distinction of the Church-causes, and the Church-questions, is not a shift of sophistrie to cast a mist vpon the truth, but a point of truth to cléere ye mist of your sophistry. For yourd Iesuit citeth those textes of Innocentius to proue the Popes supremacie. Whereas he claimeth iudgement, to resolue the douts; or (that is lesse,) autoritie, to approue the doctrine; not a soueraine power to heare and determin the causes of the Church.