A10345:1996
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
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Hart. Nay: your own distinction of power and authority, doth serve well and fitly to this of the Emperor. For their decrees and ordinances of doctrine, were true; and of discipline, good; though he had not confirmed them. But more would accept of them as good and true, through his word & countenance. As we see that many do frame themselves to Princes judgements. Wherefore it was the Emperors authority and credit, for which they desired his confirmation of their decrees: not for any sovereignty of power that he had in matters of religion.
Hart. Nay: your own distinction of power and authoritie, dooth serue well and fitly to this of the Emperour. For their decrées and ordinances of doctrine, were true; and of discipline, good; though he had not confirmed them. But more would accept of them as good and true, through his word & countenance. As we see that many doo frame themselues to Princes iudgements. Wherefore it was the Emperours autoritie and credit, for which they desired his confirmation of their decrées: not for any soueraintie of power that he had in matters of religion.
Rainoldes. Not for any sovereignty of power that he had to make matters true, of false; or good, of evil: but to make his subjects use them as good, and true, being so in deed. Which perhaps the Fathers of the Council meant too. But your own answer may teach you to mend your imagination of that they wrote to Pope Damasus. For the doctrine of Christ, which they decreed, was true; & the discipline, good; though he had not consented to it. But more would accept of it as good, & true, through his agreement and allowance. As we see that many do follow the minds of Bishops. Wherefore it was the Popes authority and credit, for which they desired his consent to their decrees: not for any sovereignty of power that he had in matters of religion. Which is plain by their craving not of him alone, but of other Bishops to like thereof also, that the Christian faith being agreed upon, and love confirmed amongst them, they ⟨p. 639⟩might keep the Church from schisms and dissensions.