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The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
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but that it hath kept still until our time the doctrine which was delivered by the Apostles, doth it thereof follow? Unless perhaps the Popes Courtiers will prove, that the whores, the Courtesans which keep their stews, are virgins, because they were virgins when they were little babes. The former Fathers then, who deny that the church of Rome did err, do not gainsay us. The later, who deny that it may err, gainsay us in deed: but they gainsay the holy Ghost too. By whose inspiration the blessed Apostle exhorting the Roman church not to lift up it self against the Jews: mBe not high minded (saith he) but fear. For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed least he also spare not thee. Behold there fore the bountifulness and severity of God: severity toward them which have fallen; but toward thee, bountifulness, if thou continue in his bountifulness: or else thou shalt also be cut off. The church of Rome therefore may be cut of: if cut of, then err: if err, then unfaithfulness may have access unto it. What? and was Cyprian of an other mind? Pardon me O Cyprian: I would believe thee gladly, but that believing thee I should not believe the word of God. But whether we should rather believe, God, or man: let the Papists judge. At least, if they believe rather man then God: let them believe the reason and judgement of their own men. For nSotus, oAlfonsus, pHosius, qVerratus, the lights of the Papists, do witness that any particular church may err. But that the church of Rome is a particular church, the same rVerratus affirmeth, nor can the rest deny it. Wherefore if Cyprian did think that the church of Rome can not err: in that he must him self be condemned of error by the Papists judgement. And so, whereas ⟨p. 675⟩all the testimonies of the Fathers are of two sorts, the one of them true, but clean beside the purpose; the other to the purpose enough, but untrue: it followeth that the sickness of the Church of Rome can find no help in any medicines of the Fathers. What have we then to do with them by whom old Rome is praised and reported