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The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
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As for me, of whom some will give their judgement with what spirit I do it, if I jest at your Pharisees, or touch your holy mothers whoredoms, and villainies of your holy Father: mens judgements I depend not of: I neither fear them nor despise them. I have *a judge to whom I stand. And I content my self that he assureth my spirit, I do it with the same spirit, though not with like measure of the same spirit, that eElijah did jest at Baalites, and fIsaiah did touch idolaters. Wherefore, to go forward with your discourse of D. Stapleton against our error of expounding the scriptures by scriptures: you have the ground of it, that they must be expounded by the rule of faith, and therefore not by scriptures only. Now, as his ground is, so are his proofs: both for your own means first, and afterward against ours. What infallibility and certainty there is in yours, gthe practise of the church, hthe consent of the Fathers, ithe Councels determination: it will appear (in place of trial) more hereafter, it hath in part already: when you were fain to fly from them all to the Pope, whom here the Doctor had forgotten. Touching ours: he proveth them to be deceitful and unsure, how? kbecause each of them, if they be taken severally, may cause a man to err: which he showeth by examples in some of the particulars, as, the weighing of the circumstances, the style and phrase of scripture, lthe conference of places, mthe looking on the Greek and Hebrew. First, if it were so: what shall I call this dealing, treachery, or folly? We teach of our means, that they all, together, do make a perfect way whereby we may find the right sense of the scripture. He replieth against us, that each of them, alone, and taken by it self, is not a perfect way to find it. In the which answer, if you see not his weakness (to speak the best of it:) I will set before you a glass to view it in. It is