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The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
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Hart. True, in that measure, which is fit for every mans vocation and duty: some, to exhort and comfort privately, some publicly to teach the church. But after you have said all that you can: we shall never grow to any end and issue, if we follow this way. For, if you allege the scripture against me, and I against you: if I expound it by conference of this place, and you of that: if in your opinion one sentence be plain, and in mine an other: in mine, our meaning right, and in yours the contrary: what end can our controversies have without a judge? And if you yield to a judge, who fitter for it then the Pope?
Hart. True, in that measure, which is fit for euerie mans vocation and duetie: some, to exhort and comfort priuately, some publikely to teach the church. But after you haue saide all that you can: we shall neuer grow to any ende and issue, if we folow this way. For, if you alleage the scripture against me, and I against you: if I expound it by conference of this place, and you of that: if in your opinion one sentence be plaine, and in mine an other: in mine, our meaning right, and in yours the contrarie: what ende can our controuersies haue without a iudge? And if you yéeld to a iudge, who fitter for it then the Pope?
Rainoldes. Who, but Christ our Saviour? And they which under him have it committed to them, even the Church of Christ?
Rainoldes. Who, but Christ our Sauiour? And they which vnder him haue it committed to them, euen the Church of Christ?
Hart. The Church? Nay you mentioned the godly before, and spake as if they should try the truth from error, by conference of the scriptures. Which is your right kind of trial and judgement. But you are ashamed of it now belike, as in truth you may be. For you shall find many tailors and cobblers more godly then sundry more learned then they. Yet I trust you will not repair for shreds and clouts to any shop of theirs.