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The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
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Rainoldes. This long and smooth tale, which you have told out of your Doctor, is like to that nightingale to which ia Lacedaemonian, when he had plucked her feathers off, and saw a little carrion left, said, Thou art a voice, nought else. Pluck off the feathers of your tale: the body is a poor carcass, and hath no substance in it. Howbeit, the names of the two courts, the outward court, the inward court, with other tunes of like music: are very sweet melody in the ears of them, whose hearts are in the court of Rome. As for simple men, who have been only conversant in *the courts of the Lord: they sound to them like strange languages, and seem to contain more profound mysteries then we can reach the depth off. But, to open your answer, that it may be seen what is unsound in it: this is the point of the thing in controversy. I say that the power promised to Peter by the name of the keys, in the sixteenth of Matthew: was performed and given to all the Apostles by the commission of Christ, in the twentieth of John. You with Stapleton deny it. Why? Because the keys promised to Peter do signify all kind of power; whereof a part only was given to the Apostles, to bind and loose in either court. And how prove you this? Forsooth, because by these words, whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven, Christ doth 3not expound what he meant by the keys, as some men (say you) have thought that he doth. Then some men have thought that the power of the keys, and the power of binding and loosing are all one: the later added by Christ to expound the former. In deed I thought so: and I perceive by you that I thought not so alone: some other men have thought it too. But, you say it is not, as some men have thought. Yet you do not tell us the names of these [some men.] Might we know (I pray) what these [some men] be?
Rainoldes. This long and smooth tale, which you haue tolde out of your Doctor, is like to that nightingale to which ia Lacedemonian, when he had plucked her feathers off, and sawe a litle caraine left, said, Thou art a voice, nought else. Plucke off the feathers of your tale: the body is a poore carkase, and hath no substance in it. Howbeit, the names of the two courtes, the outward court, the inward court, with other tunes of like musike: are very sweete melodie in the eares of them, whose hartes are in the court of Rome. As for simple men, who haue béene onelye conuersant in