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The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
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Rainoldes. But you are bound to stand to the judgement of the Fathers, by the Council of Trent: and that lupon your oath, as I take it. With the which oath I know not how D. Stapleton dispenseth. Unless the Pope expound it, that you must follow them, so far as they do go with him: or else *the oath-maker, meant not to bind you to it. Let us give a passport then unto the Fathers. It may be that the man was moved (in conscience) ⟨p. 109⟩by light of truth to vary from them. Let us hear what moved him. The same is not meant (saith he) by the keys, and by the words, to bind and loose, as some men have thought. And why? For all the Schoolmen are of opinion, that to bind and loose doth note a power judicial in the outward court only: to remit and retain sins, in the inward court. By the outward court, he meaneth the consistory: wherein the church-discipline and censure is exercised. By the inward court, the conscience: wherein a mans trespasses and sins are bound or loosed. So (in effect) he saith, that the power of remitting sins and censuring sinners, were only meant (in the speeches of Christ) to the Apostles: and not the most ample and large power of keys (promised to Peter) 2by the judgement of all the Schoolmen. Which proof, though it cannot weigh as much for him, as the Fathers against him: yet herein his dealing is orderly and plain, that, leaving the Fathers, he cleaveth to the Schoolmen. For (when all is done) the Schoolmen are the men that must uphold Papistry: with the friendly help of the Canonists their brethren. The Scriptures and Fathers would be pretended for a show, to countenance the matter. But they are like to images in old buildings of antic work: which are framed so, that with their shoulders they seem to bear the roof, whereas that in deed doth rest on walls or pillars. The Schoolmen and the Canonists, the fountains of the corruption which hath infected the Church of Christ; the Schoolmen, in doctrine, by the opinions of Popery; the Canonists, in discipline, by the state of the Papacy: the Schoolmen and the Canonists are the two pillars that uphold your Church, as m