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The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
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Hart. If you believed so rightly as you ought, with Catholics: you would not think so basely of Schoolmen, as you do. For, (as oMelchior Canus writeth well and truly) the contempt of School-divinity is a companion of heresy: & the heresies of Luther, of Wycliffe, of Melanchthon, and (in a word) of all the Lutherans, do seem to have flowed most from that fountain, even from the despising of the Schoolmens judgement. But, howsoever you esteem them, ptheir common opinion, when they all consent and agree in one, is of such weight with us: that we account it a point of great rashness, and almost of heresy to dissent from them. They have not such ornaments of finer learning and the tongues, as some in our days have: but they have the substance, qthe pith of all sciences: chiefly S. Thomas of Aquine, one of the gravest and learnedst divines, that ever Christs church had, whatsoever ignorant heretics (which understand him not) esteem of him.
Hart. If you beleeued so rightly as you ought, with Catholikes: you would not thinke so basely of Schoolemen, as you do. For, (as oMelchior Canus writeth well and truely) the contempt of Schoole-diuinitie is a companion of heresie: & the heresies of Luther, of Wicklef, of Melanchthon, and (in a word) of all the Lutherans, do seeme to haue flowed most from that fountaine, euen from the despising of the Schoolemens iudgement. But, howsoeuer you estéeme them, ptheir common opinion, when they all consent and agree in one, is of such weight with vs: that we account it a point of great rashnes, and almost of heresie to dissent from them. They haue not such ornaments offiner learning and the tongues, as some in our daies haue: but they haue the substance, qthe pith of all sciences: chiefely S. Thomas of Aquine, one of the grauest and learnedst diuines, that euer Christes church had, whatsoeuer ignorant heretikes (which vnderstand him not) esteeme of him.