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The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
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Hart. That is true which you say: but you mistake my meaning. For you seem to speak of the Apostolic power, which I grant they received immediately of Christ. But 1they had an other power beside that, to wit, a Bishoply, or Pastoral power. Wherein sith they were inferior to Peter, though equal in the Apostolic: it may be they received, though not the Apostolic, yet the Bishoply power of him.
Hart. That is true which you say: but you mistake my meaning. For you séeme to speake of the Apostolike power, which I graunt they receiued immediately of Christ. But 1they had an other power beside that, to wit, a Bishoply, or Pastorall power. Wherein sith they were inferior to Peter, though equall in the Apostolike: it may be they receiued, though not the Apostolike, yet the Bishoply power of him.
- 1Staple•. […] doct. l. 6. c. 7.Staple•. 〈…〉 doct. l. 6. c. 7.
Rainoldes. Some such thing it is, that your men would say. But (to confess mine own ignorance) I do not understand what they mean by it. Which I should perhaps be ashamed off, if you (who handle it) your selves did understand it, or gave us sense and reason of it. For, if all the power, which Bishops have, as Bishops, be the power of the keys; and the Apostles, as Apostles, had all the power of the keys committed unto them by Christ; both the which things the Scriptures prove, & you disprove not: then was there no power, which they might receive of Peter, as Bishops; and therefore they did not receive any of him, nor were inferior to him therein▪ Yet this is the very foundation of the Papacy: but laid on such sand, that the master builders who travail most in laying it, do reel (like drunken men) about it, too and fro; and stricken with a blindness, as