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The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
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Hart Why say you so?
Rainoldes. Because you did distinguish the Bishoply power of the Apostles, from their power Apostolic: as here (with other words) you do their Apostleship from their Pastoral charge. Whereas in deed the pastoral charge of the Apostles is nothing else but their Apostleship: and hath no more difference then the other had. For the name of Pastor is used in two senses, a special, and a general. In the special, to note a kind of function distinct from the Apostles, (z your Doctor granteth it,) and so Apostles are not Pastors: as when it is said, asome Apostles, some Prophets, some Evangelists, some Pastors and teachers. In the general, to signify the common charge of all such, as do teach the word and feed the flock of God: in which respect bChrist him self is called a Pastor. Wherefore sith Apostles are not Pastors by the former sense; by the later, whosoever are equal in the Apostleship, must needs consequently be equal in the Pastorship too: your distinction, that they were equal in the one not in the other, hath no more reason, then an other of cD. Stapletons, who saith, that they were equal in power of government, but not of regiment.
Rainoldes. Because you did distinguish the Bishoply power of the Apostles, from their power Apostolike: as here (with other wordes) you doo their Apostleship from their Pastorall charge. Whereas in déede the pastorall charge of the Apostles is nothing els but their Apostleship: and hath no more difference then the other had. For the name of Pastor is vsed in two senses, a speciall, and a generall. In the speciall, to note a kind of function distinct from the Apostles, (z