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The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
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Yet, he alleged them, not wholly & entirely, as Vincē tius hath them: but, as nthe Evangelists rehearse them, maimedly. Wherein, if Vincentius, observing the attempt that the Devil alleged the words of the scripture; had withal ⟨p. 187⟩observed the subtlety of the tempter, how he alleged them: he might have better noted the deceits of heretics abusing scripture, then he did; and so have better fenced the right-believing Christians with power of scripture, then he hath. For he reporteth it so, as if the Devil had alleged that whole place of the scripture: He will give his Angels charge over thee, that they shall keep thee *in all thy ways: with their hands they shall lift thee up, and so forth. Whereas the devil, alleging the rest, of charge given, to keep him and uphold him, left out of the middle words of keeping him [in all his ways:] because they made directly against that to which he did tempt Christ, as oI have declared. Wherefore if Vincentius had thought, that the scripture is no sufficient stay for us against heretics, because it is alleged as well by false teachers, as it is by true, by the Devil as by Christ: he must have rather craved pardon, for not espying the policy of Satan; then liking, for impairing the credit of the word of God. But although he saw not all in particular: nevertheless in general he joineth with the truth. For phe saith that heretics follow the Devil, *as oft as they bring forth sentences of scripture, by which being expounded amiss, they go about to maintain their errors. So that, the scripture, which heretics bring forth against the Catholic faith, is the scripture taken in a wrong sense, and miss-expounded, by his judgement. But I mean the scripture expounded aright, when I say that points of faith should be tried by the scripture only. The words of Vincentius therefore, which you cited, do rather prove that which I defend, then disprove it. Neither make they more against us then you: unless you beg all that which is in controversy, that Popery is the Catholic faith. For then you may conclude that we bring the scripture against the Catholic faith, when we bring it against Popery. An easy way to conquest, if begging can procure you that. But I mind not to give it: & right to it you have not. You must win it, if you will wear it.