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The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
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Rainoldes. It is not your purpose, (I hope) to beguile me by the colour of his words. It may be, that your self are beguiled in them. For ahe, by [the tradition of the catholic church] meant the true and right exposition of the scripture, made by faithful pastors and teachers of the church: as his own words immediately show. And this I made mention of, in that I said, that 1scripture is sufficient alone against heretics 2if it be taken in the right sense; the catholic sense he calleth it. You seem to imagine, that he meant by the word, [tradition,] unwritten verities, as they have bin termed, or as you term them now, btraditions: which the Trent-Council doth account as much of, as of scriptures, and coupleth them together to make a sufficient & perfect rule of truth: as though that only scriptures were insufficient for it. Which error was so far from the mind of Vincentius, that che saith expressly, that he doth not add the tradition of the Church, to the authority of the scriptures, as though that 1the scriptures were not themselves 2alone 3sufficient 4for all things, yea 5more then sufficient: but to show, that, because heretics do wrest and miss-expound the scriptures, therefore we must learn their right sense and meaning, delivered to the godly by the ministry of the Church. In which consideration, as S. Paul writeth, that he did d